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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Oct 2011 at 12:55
By the way, many Africans or Afro Americans are not as sensitive to cartoons as many muslims in for example Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq or  Saudi Arabia. I do not think many black people want to bomb those places where they sell Tintin in Congo.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Oct 2011 at 13:05
Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

 
Do not forget that there also were cities, civilisations and empires in Africa quite early.


Ha. Give me a break. Are we going to talk about the trading post to exchange gold, ivory and slaves with foreigners again? Those were the famous "civilisations and empires" of Tombuctu, Ife and Zimbabwe, if you don't know.
 
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Well, it has historical roots since the discrimination in cartoons and similar has been a part of an overall discrimination which denied Africans or Afro Americans their rights and was a sort of alibi for opression and exploitation.


Baloney. That's the culture of pitty. Poor people... they behave like Hardy Har Har, the African hyena, that always say "Oh me, oh my, oh dear".... Always crying and begging.
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Ha. Give me a break. Are we going to talk about the trading post to exchange gold, ivory and slaves with foreigners again? Those were the famous "civilisations and empires" of Tombuctu, Ife and Zimbabwe, if you don't know.
 
Most cities in Europe have also been trading ports and/or military outposts. Many of the African towns were larger and more organized than the leading cities in many European countries at the same time. And one can also go further back in time and study the towns of ancient Egypt (which actually lies in Africa), or towns like Kerma, Napata or Meroe in Nubia, or the Ethiopian towns. And so on. Later we can see places like Benin and other centers. So the African continent has actually a longer tradition of having towns than parts of Europe. 

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Baloney. That's the culture of pitty. Poor people... they behave like Hardy Har Har, the African hyena, that always say "Oh me, oh my, oh dear".... Always crying and begging.
 
Well, everything has its historical causes as the violence, drugs, political unrest, greed, powerty and pirate mentality that still exists in many places in Latin America.
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Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

 
Most cities in Europe have also been trading ports and/or military outposts. Many of the African towns were larger and more organized than the leading cities in many European countries at the same time. And one can also go further back in time and study the towns of ancient Egypt (which actually lies in Africa), or towns like Kerma, Napata or Meroe in Nubia, or the Ethiopian towns. And so on. Later we can see places like Benin and other centers. So the African continent has actually a longer tradition of having towns than parts of Europe.


Poor rethoric. You want to equate the economical and intellectual development of Europe with the very primitive region of subsaharan Africa that was almost fully tribal up to the Arabs and Europeans went there. And indeed, Ethiopia is a sort of exception, simply because it has been in contact with the Middle East since the time of King Solomon.

You are so blind with your dogma that can't see the difference. For you, a tribe of hunter gatherers has the same knowledge than the schollars of the Mandarin. For you, a Zulu goat keeper is as smart counting goats as Einstein formulating equation. That's nonsense.

 
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Well, everything has its historical causes as the violence, drugs, political unrest, greed, powerty and pirate mentality that still exists in many places in Latin America.


The violence in Latin America is our problem. At least we don't need to beg for food, we export it worldwide, beside all sort of resources and manufactured products as well. Beside, a trivial fraction of our exports come to the region simply by saling what the European adicts need.




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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Poor rethoric. You want to equate the economical and intellectual development of Europe with the very primitive region of subsaharan Africa that was almost fully tribal up to the Arabs and Europeans went there. And indeed, Ethiopia is a sort of exception, simply because it has been in contact with the Middle East since the time of King Solomon.
 
Well, I see ancient Africa more as a whole. One can not simply separate Egypt from Nubia (better see the Nile valley as a unit with cultures related to each other), or Ethiopia. They were in contact with each other, with the world outside Africa but also with sub-saharan Africa.
 
Some of the later states and cities in subsaharan African surpassed many similar cities or states, at least in Northern Europe, and equalled others (also Europe have had rather varying degree of statehood and civilisation through times).
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The violence in Latin America is our problem.

Not only your problem. Because of that violence Sweden swarms of chileans and other Latin american refugees. And many of them are whining about discrimination and other things all the time. Many of them are also rather obnoxious and loud. They are not so very popular to have as neighbours. So Latin American violence also affect us here in Europe.
 

 
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Speaking of poor rhetoric, just the title of the thread suffices to warn that only malarkey is under discussion. The tenor of some of the statements should be considered downright embarrassing for a discussion forum pretending some sort of historical competence. Just what is meant by phrasing such as "the very primitive region of subsaharan Africa" or even the ridiculous introduction of "King Solomon"?  The undercurrents of Racism are hardly disguised here and no 15th century European was filled with such blather during the course of coastal exploration. One need only explore the archives to grasp such and just a brief reading of Mateus Cardoso's Historia do Reino do Congo published in 1624 suffices to dismiss the distasteful assumptions on display in this thread.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Nov 2011 at 20:38
What means "very primitive"? Well, tribal people that appeared in Tarzan movies. Or in Daktari, if you preffer.
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Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

Well, I see ancient Africa more as a whole.


I see. You are following the pseudoscience of Afrocentrism, invented to justify the backwardness of Ancient Subsaharan Africa. Of couse you ignore it, but "Ancient Africa" was Lybia.

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One can not simply separate Egypt from Nubia (better see the Nile valley as a unit with cultures related to each other), or Ethiopia. They were in contact with each other, with the world outside Africa but also with sub-saharan Africa.


That's ridiculous. It is like saying that Swedish are Germans, Lapps or Russians. Or to say that Slavs are Chinese. Baloney to justify lack of history.
 
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Some of the later states and cities in subsaharan African surpassed many similar cities or states, at least in Northern Europe, and equalled others (also Europe have had rather varying degree of statehood and civilisation through times).


Give me a break. Don't be ridiculous.

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Not only your problem. Because of that violence Sweden swarms of chileans and other Latin american refugees. And many of them are whining about discrimination and other things all the time. Many of them are also rather obnoxious and loud. They are not so very popular to have as neighbours. So Latin American violence also affect us here in Europe.


Xenophobe. You certainly have an anti-Latin biass.  However, you have a weakness for bantues, no matter the violence and xenophoby they have among themselves, and particularly againts  bushmen and pigmies.





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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

What means "very primitive"? Well, tribal people that appeared in Tarzan movies. Or in Daktari, if you preffer.
 
That ridiculous statement suffices only to underscore your ignorance on this subject. I am quite aware that you are simply goading Carcharadon, but you do not have to make yourself ludicrous and historically incompetent to achieve such. African kingdoms of the 14th century were hardly "tribal" and to maintain such simply underscored your complete incompetence on the topic.


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That ridiculous statement suffices only to underscore your ignorance on this subject. I am quite aware that you are simply goading Carcharadon, but you do not have to make yourself ludicrous and historically incompetent to achieve such. Afruican kingdoms of the 14th century were hardly "tribal" and to maintain such simply underscored your complete incompetence on the topic.


Sure. You are talking about the Muslim slavist trade posts of Africa, in contact to the outside world for the explotation of the large majorities of the backwards tribes of Dark Africa. Those kingdoms were heavily influenced by Islam. Even more, all remaining books in Tombuctu are in Arab!

So, please Doc, don't fall in the Afrocentric game of rewriting history.

Here are the famous African kingdoms. If you wish, we can discuss about them one by one, starting from Carthage, founded by the Phoenicians, the Fertile Crescent land of Egypt, and the Indonesian founded Madagascar.







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Here we go again! Out comes the Penguin with another one of his sublimely ridiculous visual aids and cartographic carcajadas as cover so as to avoid simply confessing that he is blissfully ignorant of the subject at hand. "Arabs" in the realm of the the Mwene Kongo in the 15th century, you don't say? Spare us the ersatz pedantry and the ridiculous allusions to Afrocentrism, there are more than adequate records in the Iberian and Italian archives that give lie to your tales.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Nov 2011 at 02:23
Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Here we go again! Out comes the Penguin with another one of his sublimely ridiculous visual aids and cartographic carcajadas as cover so as to avoid simply confessing that he is blissfully ignorant of the subject at hand. "Arabs" in the realm of the the Mwene Kongo in the 15th century, you don't say? Spare us the ersatz pedantry and the ridiculous allusions to Afrocentrism, there are more than adequate records in the Iberian and Italian archives that give lie to your tales.


Given you always like to mix languages, that I assume shows yours lack of skills in English, I will say you something in Spanish. Please Doc, get on the topic, and no le saque el poto a la jeringa Wink
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I see. You are following the pseudoscience of Afrocentrism, invented to justify the backwardness of Ancient Subsaharan Africa. Of couse you ignore it, but "Ancient Africa" was Lybia.

 
No pseudoosciece, but one must be aware of that also ancient cultures in Africa had some contacts and exchange. people and influences moved around. Africa has never been in some kind of status quo. It has changed in many dynamic ways, as have other continents. And I use the word Africa for the continent that is today called Africa.

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That's ridiculous. It is like saying that Swedish are Germans, Lapps or Russians. Or to say that Slavs are Chinese. Baloney to justify lack of history.

Actually Egypt and Nubia has from time to time been inseparable in many ways. Their history and cultures have been tied to each other. So one must see the Nile valley also in a more holistic way, not creating artificial boundaries that many times have their roots in old racist thinking.
 
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Give me a break. Don't be ridiculous.


Well, just pick up a history book or two, then you can see for your self. 
 
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Xenophobe. You certainly have an anti-Latin biass. 

Nope, I just mentioned some observations one can make concerning some of the Latino immigrants here in Sweden.
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As the holidays approach, the time draws near to prepare one's favorite exotic repasts and given the tenor of this thread my mind ponders upon roasted Penguin; hence, now the moment to meticulously pluck this particular bird and stuff him into the oven of cartoon land.
 
The premise he has so specioulsy maintained reflects little more than the egregious mouthings in modern dress of the classic 19th century racist retrograde. Admittedly, it is somewhat confusing given the fact that in another thread he perorated endlessly on how Cubism was an African "art form", but here--awash in unpleasant adjectives--the Penguin utters the outrageous so as to substantiate nonsense over "backwardness".
 
[An Aside (so as to underscore historical ineptness): Penguin wrote the following:"Of couse you ignore it, but 'Ancient Africa' was Lybia." What can one say other than WRONG! In ancient Rome, the term Africa--with respect to a provincial identity--originally identified the territory absorbed in the 2nd century BC  administered from Utica, which roughly corresponded to a swath of northern modern Tunisia. Let us not go into the fine detailing of political administration in subsequent centuries that saw the emergence of technical distinctions such as Africa Vetus and Africa Novus and the consolidation of Africa Proconsularis with respect to Roman colonization after the advent of the Principate as finalized by Claudius, but suffice it to say that Africa Proconsularis was not "Lybia". Shall we discuss the niceties of Utica, Julia Concordia and Leptis Magna, or for that matter throw in Cyrenaica et Creta.]
 
Now, the even more outrageous contention raised by the Penguin is the claim that Sub-Saharan Africa lacks "History". How he defines this last mentioned term is, naturally, left up in the air but one can easily surmise that under his nebulous criteria much the same can be said about his precious "America"! However, there is no getting around the fact that sophisticated political and social entities did exist in Sub-Saharan Africa in the 15th and 16th centuries and the European entities that came in contact with them did recognize such and did record as much. Obvioulsy, the Peguin is unfamiliar with the many letters of Manikongo Afonso I to Manuel I and Joao III of Portugal, and such can hardly serve as examples of "backwardness". History is not as simplistic as the bird would have it nor as ridiculous as his betes noires in Afrocentrism with their artificial roots, hence one does not replace the comedy of the latter with the absurdity of the former.
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Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

No pseudoosciece, but one must be aware of that also ancient cultures in Africa had some contacts and exchange. people and influences moved around. Africa has never been in some kind of status quo. It has changed in many dynamic ways, as have other continents. And I use the word Africa for the continent that is today called Africa.


Primitive cultures, actually. You can't compare African achievements, except North Africa and Egypt, with European, Arab or Chinese culture at all.

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Actually Egypt and Nubia has from time to time been inseparable in many ways. Their history and cultures have been tied to each other. So one must see the Nile valley also in a more holistic way, not creating artificial boundaries that many times have their roots in old racist thinking.


Nubians were the enemies of Egypt. Don't be silly, please. Egyptians were racists!



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Nope, I just mentioned some observations one can make concerning some of the Latino immigrants here in Sweden.


And do you really think Latin Americans immigrants are representative of Latin America? Remember that the main group of our immigrants is among our poorest peoples, but unfortunately, our criminals also have a tendency to migrate. Confused
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[An Aside (so as to underscore historical ineptness): Penguin wrote the following:"Of couse you ignore it, but 'Ancient Africa' was Lybia." What can one say other than WRONG! In ancient Rome, the term Africa--with respect to a provincial identity--originally identified the territory absorbed in the 2nd century BC  administered from Utica, which roughly corresponded to a swath of northern modern Tunisia. Let us not go into the fine detailing of political administration in subsequent centuries that saw the emergence of technical distinctions such as Africa Vetus and Africa Novus and the consolidation of Africa Proconsularis with respect to Roman colonization after the advent of the Principate as finalized by Claudius, but suffice it to say that Africa Proconsularis was not "Lybia". Shall we discuss the niceties of Utica, Julia Concordia and Leptis Magna, or for that matter throw in Cyrenaica et Creta.]


OK. Tunisia, Lybia, what's the difference. Both are Berber lands. Wink
 
Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:


Now, the even more outrageous contention raised by the Penguin is the claim that Sub-Saharan Africa lacks "History".


Of course it lacks history. Otherwise, tell me what happened in Nigeria, Zimbabwe, Kenya and Mozambique exactly at these dates February 3, 981; October 15, 1125 and May 28 233 A.D.

Do you know it? Nope? Well, that's lack of history. And certainly, Portuguese had history because they knew writing.










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Primitive cultures, actually. You can't compare African achievements, except North Africa and Egypt, with European, Arab or Chinese culture at all.
 
It depends where in Africa, where in Europe and at which time. For example around 200 BC we had no pyramids or towns, or writing in the nordic countries as Nubia had. So it depends when and where. The Egyptians had a culture that lasted longer than the Roman empire, and also Nubia had a town civilisation nearly as long, even if it had much less population.

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Nubians were the enemies of Egypt. Don't be silly, please. Egyptians were racists!

You can not apply the valueus of today on that time. Nubia and Egypt where many times enemies, but at the same time Nubians and Egyptians traded with each other and intermarriage were common. Many Nubians also worked as soldiers and other things in Egypt. Some Nubians achieved very high positions. The Nubian-Egyptian relationship was somewhat complicated. One must also not forget that Egypt now and then conquered Nubia, but that also Nubia conquered Egypt.


A not so racist depiction of Nubians in Egyptian service. 

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

And do you really think Latin Americans immigrants are representative of Latin America? Remember that the main group of our immigrants is among our poorest peoples, but unfortunately, our criminals also have a tendency to migrate.
 
Well, there are many obnoxious Latinamericans in Latin America too. There are ofcourse some good people also.
The ones in Sweden are considered to be loud, often end up in trouble and behave in strange ways according to our costums.


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Each morn I awake curious to discover which facetious outrage will emerge from the Penguin typepad and grace the ethereal screen of WorldHistoria. Seldom does he frustrate expectations. Today, we discover he is a Schedelian and assumes calendrical chronicling constitutes History. Given the fact that entities such as Nigeria, Mozambique and "Zimbabwe" are late 19th and early 20th century European artifices one can hardly demand chronological data for non-existent entities. For that matter with respect to his fancied dates there was no "Portugal" either as a distinct political entity! Strangely enough when in this mode, the Penguin becomes as ridiculously fixated on the illusory as much as his nemesis Carcharadon.
 
By the way, Penguin, perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the "Kingdom" of the Nri (Nri-Igbo) if you are so hot under-the-collar for African events in the 10th century, after all Igbo Bronzes from this date are the heights of metallurgical casting far more sophisticated than anything found in Europe at that time.
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Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

 
It depends where in Africa, where in Europe and at which time. For example around 200 BC we had no pyramids or towns, or writing in the nordic countries as Nubia had. So it depends when and where. The Egyptians had a culture that lasted longer than the Roman empire, and also Nubia had a town civilisation nearly as long, even if it had much less population.


Baloney.

I will cite Adam Smith:

the very meanest person in a civilized
country could not be provided, even according to, what we very falsely
imagine, the easy and simple manner in which he is commonly accommodated.
Compared, indeed, with the more extravagant luxury of the great, his
accommodation must no doubt appear extremely simple and easy ; and yet it
may be true, perhaps, that the accommodation of an European prince does not
always so much exceed that of an industrious and frugal peasant, as the
accommodation of the latter exceeds that of many an African king, the
absolute masters of the lives and liberties of ten thousand naked savages.


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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Each morn I awake curious to discover which facetious outrage will emerge from the Penguin typepad and grace the ethereal screen of WorldHistoria. Seldom does he frustrate expectations. Today, we discover he is a Schedelian and assumes calendrical chronicling constitutes History. Given the fact that entities such as Nigeria, Mozambique and "Zimbabwe" are late 19th and early 20th century European artifices one can hardly demand chronological data for non-existent entities. For that matter with respect to his fancied dates there was no "Portugal" either as a distinct political entity! Strangely enough when in this mode, the Penguin becomes as ridiculously fixated on the illusory as much as his nemesis Carcharadon.


Give me a break. As an historian (you pretend you are, at least) you MUST know that without records there isn't history! And yes, there weren't countries at that time in Subsaharan Africa because civilization was brought by the White man. Before its arrival, Subsaharan Africa was a tribal region. Why to twist reality?

Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:


 By the way, Penguin, perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the "Kingdom" of the Nri (Nri-Igbo) if you are so hot under-the-collar for African events in the 10th century, after all Igbo Bronzes from this date are the heights of metallurgical casting far more sophisticated than anything found in Europe at that time.


Yes, I know Igbo bronzes, and I found them pretty, but I preffer the Ife style. Yes, there were wonderful broncesmiths in the jungle. LOL However, you shouldn't forget those "kingdoms" were analphabet, and the more advanced communication media they had was the speaking drum Wink.

In fact, the Igbo and Ife bronces were an arqueological discovery, in the case you didn't know.






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Nov 2011 at 14:39
In any study of the zoa in the environment known as WorldHistoria. one must perforce conclude that the Penguin is an incorrigible bird whose steady diet of flaky herring has seriously affected the proper function of his cranial synapses. However, one can not neglect the hours of mirth and comedy he provides when anyone undertakes an observation of his antics that are often worth recording in the splendid wide-screen of an IMax theatre.
 
Of course, one is left wondering many things when attempting to apply the tools of reason to his endless squawking. How Adam Smith might be considered an "expert" on the human condition amazes and such is rational only if considered as an example of the effects of conditioning on the well-known phenomenon observed by Plinio Apuleyo Mendoza, the Latin American Idiot. If the introduction of Smith serves any purpose it can only be that of the exemplary with respect to the smug ignorance of Scottish intellectual provincialism in the 18th century. That mind-set is well known and says more about a particular European mentality that reached its apogee in the 19th century than any valid Historical commentary on Africa itself. We will not comment on the immaturity reflected by the use of the term "naked" while maintaining a blissful ignorance on the deprivation visited upon the Irish by Smith's own society  ["industrious and frugal peasants", anyone?].
 
To make matters worse, the Penguin then seeks to mustify the definition of the historical while mistifying the discipline into an exercise in literacy. Given the fact that illiteracy was the norm until the consolidation of the 20th century, one is left to wonder which other depths of idiocy will be plunged into by this avian fussbudget. Placing aside the full implications of the reprehensible statement he beaked--
"civilization was brought by the White man"--one would be quite interested in hearing his interpretation of the Americas as those civilized Europeans brought enlightenment to the teeeming tribal tios practicing nudism on the antipodal horizons of the Atlantic.
 
Shall we now address the teeming jungles of the Americas?  
 
 
 


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In any study of the zoa in the environment known as WorldHistoria. one must perforce conclude that the Penguin is an ...


Certainly. The cheapest trick of rethoric is to attack the opponent, and it seems you don't have more arguments.
 
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 How Adam Smith might be considered an "expert" on the human condition


Simple because Smith witnessed a time when Africans were nude tribal peoples, and were considered savages, because theirs curious behavoir. Unlike today that Afrocentrists, using the PC Inquisition, have washed the mind of millions of coward intellectuals. Today history has been rewritten to show an absurd "greatness" of Africa. Absurd given the fact that Subsaharan Africa wasn't more advanced at contact that New Guinea, the Artic or the Amazons.

The rest is pure propaganda.
 
Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:


To make matters worse, the Penguin then seeks to mustify the definition of the historical while mistifying the discipline into an exercise in literacy. Given the fact that illiteracy was the norm until the consolidation of the 20th century, one is left to wonder which other depths of idiocy will be plunged into by this avian fussbudget. Placing aside the full implications of the reprehensible statement he beaked--


But Civilizations had literate elites. Subsaharan Africa lacks historical records before the arrival of foreigners, because writing wasn't invented there. And please, don't come here with the exceptional Ethiopia and other border lands.

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"civilization was brought by the White man"--one would be quite interested in hearing his interpretation of the Americas as those civilized Europeans brought enlightenment to the teeeming tribal tios practicing nudism on the antipodal horizons of the Atlantic.
 
Shall we now address the teeming jungles of the Americas?  


We can talk about it later, or open another thread. We are talking here about Subsaharan Africa where, without the White Man, people would still living in prehistory, with very rudimentary technology, and one or another exceptional technology acquired from outsiders.

Stop the rewriting of history!

By the way, I love New Guinean peoples because they at least are thankful of Cargo they receive from the White Man. The ingratitude of Africans, on the other hand, is huge. They have forgotten all that Bwana has done for them.







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It's quite funny how people with low intelligence actually overlook the fact that Obama is half white so that they can be racist.
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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

It's quite funny how people with low intelligence actually overlook the fact that Obama is half white so that they can be racist.


Accoding to America's traditional apparheid phylosophy, Obama is a Negro. Even more, he doesn't share the historical background of Black Americans, either. For instance, how many Americans have a name comming from Star Wars? How many are called Barak?


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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

It's quite funny how people with low intelligence actually overlook the fact that Obama is half white so that they can be racist.


Accoding to America's traditional apparheid phylosophy, Obama is a Negro. Even more, he doesn't share the historical background of Black Americans, either. For instance, how many Americans have a name comming from Star Wars? How many are called Barak?
 
Oh well, another dose of apologetic ignorance! Some would let the idiotic mutterings pass in silence were they but a passing incident; however, such is not the situation here. Regrettably WorldHistoria is now littered to the cranies with such blatant examples of bigotry and downright defamation and all the sane and sensible among us must stand and demand that these blatherings cease immediately. They are neither exemplary or funny but instead give us insight into a rather disgusting aspect of a fast becoming unpleasant personality.
 
No need to mention the ignorance on etymology with regard to personal names even within a North American milieu. Barak (var. Barack) is Hebraic onomasty and within American traditionalism the choice of biblical given names runs the gamut. Perhaps the Penguin needs to familiarize himself with Wolf Blitzer of CNN who prides himself with his Hebrew name Ze'ev Barak! No doubt, public humiliation will not give the Penguin pause to think through before he commits words to the ether so quite soon--unless reason intervenes--we will be treated with additional ignorance on "the historical background of Black Americans".
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That's curious. Then Barack didn't come from Star Wars after all.



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