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What happened to the British language?

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    Posted: 25 Aug 2016 at 03:07

I am talking specifically about the native language of Britain, before the English. For some reason it simply disappeared when the Anglo-Saxons arrived on the coast of the North Sea in the 5th century AD. The Welsh and Scottish tongue survived, but the main of Britain has passed into history with not even a trace. What is the reason for this mysterious vanishing?

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If you dig deep enough you will still find words from the language of the Britons, but not many.

Modern English is now composed of so many Loan Words that it would be meaningless without them.

Also, the language evolves on an annual basis with new words becoming accepted and others being discarded.
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Roman Occupation
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

Roman Occupation

As I understand it, the common people didn't take up Latin, the language spoken by the Romans, to any great degree.

My understanding is that the Saxon invasion was the catalyst for language change in Britain, and following that, the Norman invasion, but even then, the majority of the population still spoke a Saxon dialect for many years. Norman French was the main language of government and the intelligentsia. 

At the same time though, there was still Cornish, Welsh and Scots gaelic being spoken in other parts of Britain.
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From what I understand, there are some structures in English that come from Celtic.
Again, see McWhorter.

Like, "he has gone to the store."  What is this grammatical structure, "has" gone?
I seem to remember that McWhorter says that this kind of thing is only found in English and Celtic.
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Francisco:

I'd suggest that any Gaelic words or phrases in the English language are in fact loan words, that have survived the ages, in much the same manner that Old Germanic words have survived from the Saxon period.
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This use of "has" is part of the grammatical structure of English, (and Celtic), it is not due to vocabulary.  he "had" watched 24 hours of 'Let's make a Deal.'  Why say, "he has read the book,' instead of just 'he read the book.'?  That is how other languages do it.  As far as I understand.

No, McWhorter is right, you might see if he has anything on youtube.
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my bad, my mistake, McWhorter doesn't talk that way about 'have,' but about "do."  Which he calls meaningless do.

"Do you have grey Poupon?" as opposed to "you have grey Poupon?"  What does, "do" have to do in that context.

He has a whole series on youtube called, "[our] magnificent bastard tongue."  I would suggest looking that or others of his series up, or of course one can talk about language without the benefit of seeing what has gone on before.
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To use an American colloquialism, the British (read English) Language has gone south. It's absorbed so many European loan words that, without them, the langauge would be gobbldygook, and I don't know where that originated (from) either.
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