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Usually such thread appears on every forum sooner or later. I've tried to google-search this forum, but couldn't find anything, so I've decided to create a new one. 

The question is very simple: what books on history have you read in the last month? Smile
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I have a beautiful little volume called  the 
"Cathar Castles Fortresses of the Albigensian Crusade 1209-1300" by Marcus Cowper, haven't finished. It's got lots of pictures. Smile

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I usually swallow 10-15 books per month, though not all of them are related to history. Among those books on history that impressed me the most in the last month I'd highlight the book by Averianov about ancient Rus and Russian origins, it came out in 2020
ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Аверьянов,_Константин_Александрович

I'd also mention a book by Elena Maleto about Medieval Rus and its diplomatic relations with Constantinople. The book came out in 2018. It's about rather interesting time when Rus was controlled by the Golden Horde and any trade relations between Rus and Byzantine almost ceased to exist. The Orthodox church network would be the only way to communicate as Byzantine used to appoint the head of Russian church.
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Is this the life you always wanted? To study and teach?

Most of what I read is online, lots of news and non duality. 

Have you come across references to the use of Occult Science in Byzantium?


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Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:

Is this the life you always wanted? To study and teach?

Most of what I read is online, lots of news and non duality. 

Have you come across references to the use of Occult Science in Byzantium?


Well, I don't believe neither in Occult Sciences, nor in God Smile The latter came by the study of history of religions. What makes you take an interest in Occult Sciences, I am very curious? 

Teaching could be very enjoyable when one reaches a certain age and has lots of experience to share. Unfortunately, many take teaching as a life path at very young age when they have no real work experience, so they have nothing new to contribute to their students. 

More importantly teaching is the best way to move between countries, so a person could both teach, study new languages and acquaint him/her-self with new cultures. So in a way teaching could be duplex.


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Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:

Is this the life you always wanted? To study and teach?

Most of what I read is online, lots of news and non duality. 

Have you come across references to the use of Occult Science in Byzantium?


Well, I don't believe neither in Occult Sciences, nor in God Smile The latter came by the study of history of religions. What makes you take an interest in Occult Sciences, I am very curious?
In my view there isn't a question of belief, admittedly this is what religion teaches. I experienced a rigorous religious upbringing which taught me two things; There was nothing but hypocrisy in organized religion at the organizational level. And that certain people throughout history did grasp a greater sense of being alive, beyond eat, work, sleep. 

It's something like what you describe here-"More importantly teaching is the best way to move between countries, so a person could both teach, study new languages and acquaint him/her-self with new cultures. So in a way teaching could be duplex.." Experience is happening on multiple layers of material reality, cellular, ego, physic, world wide, universal, galactic..

In your mind's eye you can imagine the composition of the video game player, his avatar and the pc.
The avatar's choices and abilities are not all his, there is programming and some of his behavior is hard wired so to speak. The player actually provides the power source for animation and advancement in the game. The avatar knows as much as the bacteria does about who he is and why he exists due to his programming. 

When I read that the alchemists of the Byzantine and earlier ages have the idea of a world veiled by an illusion the analogy to the computer was a eureka moment. Some have suggested that this gestalt explains the disconnect between mathematics and physics, probability and observance of photons ie double slit experiment.

The Occultists ,IMO, come closer to recognizing their role and influence in this existence than do most  religions. Francis Bacon, Issac Newton, Marsilio Ficini were all superbly grounded in mathematics yet they pursued Hermetics and the ecstatic/altered states of religious practice.
To my way of thinking altered states are open connections to the next -larger system- of which are a subset. In an ecstatic or meditative trace one can have respite from ego and fear, incrementally with practice it promotes evolution and results in a better iteration of a "self."  The Buddhist have no idea of a god but an interconnected web divided only by thought/ego. The avatar theory is the evolved iteration of Buddha's enlightenment.  


Quote Teaching could be very enjoyable when one reaches a certain age and has lots of experience to share. Unfortunately, many take teaching as a life path at very young age when they have no real work experience, so they have nothing new to contribute to their students.
As a parent this is no revelation Smile


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Quote   the alchemists of the Byzantine and earlier ages have the idea of a world veiled by an illusion 

Sounds like Leonard Susskind's theory
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Originally posted by Novosedoff Novosedoff wrote:

Quote   the alchemists of the Byzantine and earlier ages have the idea of a world veiled by an illusion 

Sounds like Leonard Susskind's theory

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The practical implications of the theory seem to be very vague. I dont know what conclusions an average citizen should draw from all this.
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The practical implications of the theory seem to be very vague. I dont know what conclusions an average citizen should draw from all this.
Greetings Novosedoff!

Susskind's version of the hologram theory is "one in the many" so to speak. Understanding your point about practicality I initially had the same sense of the idea. Fascinating, digital universe which made even more sense after Windows and the home PC became commonplace. Buy what does it MEAN?

In Tom Campbell's "My Big Toe" (theory of everything) the idea that we live in a simulated material framework supported by a larger non physical system includes a reasoned purpose for the implications.

Living things evolve and each new iteration ideally would have learned during it's lifetime, how to be a better version of itself.. creatures throughout time evolve into adapted specialists as do humans. Our thoughts and behaviors have changed incrementally overtime. Like any avatar, we can even become greater more powerful beings.

If the current human /earth simulation turns out to be self destructive then a new simulation will begin perhaps from the point of earth cooling and beginning again completely. 

If the current simulation leans towards an altruistic development among living things then we may achieve a level of group consciousness allowing greater advancement in our capabilities to solve problems on earth or to finally leave our solar system. I'm not sure of man's ultimate objective but if it is war, it will end in war, if it's intelligence, lack of fear and ego the future could be an unfathomable success. 

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we may achieve a level of group consciousness allowing greater advancement in our capabilities to solve problems on earth or to finally leave our solar system. 

Sure. Ad astra per aspera  Big smile Why would we need to leave the Earth? We can't resolve even our social tensions on Earth. So I dont suppose it would be reasonable for us to bring all the sh*t we live in any further and deeper to the universe. 

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If the current human /earth simulation turns out to be self destructive then a new simulation will begin perhaps from the point of earth cooling and beginning again completely. 

I find it hard to believe what our "school-science" teaches us that our development on Earth has been linear from primitive ape-like creatures to half-witted nuke-makers. Perhaps there had been some ups and downs before we even started, as some Indian and Jewish sources claim. So nothing bad would happen if we cool off a bit by having a splendid nuclear winter. We can then start all over again and have more fun Star  Celebrating a corona-virus outbreak on Times-Square of Big Apple and Red Square in Moscow would be a wonderful beginning to the end. 

Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:

In Tom Campbell's "My Big Toe" (theory of everything) the idea that we live in a simulated material framework supported by a larger non physical system includes a reasoned purpose for the implications.

Well, it could be. These days I tend to assess everything in D.Trump's exaggerating terms by saying something like "An amazing theory. Incredibly promising" Smile  
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Quote Sure. Ad astra per aspera  Big smile Why would we need to leave the Earth? We can't resolve even our social tensions on Earth. So I dont suppose it would be reasonable for us to bring all the sh*t we live in any further and deeper to the universe.
LMAO
There really may be no better cure for chaos than order, we have a quest to obtain the "100th Monkey" effect. A majority adapt the behavior necessary for universal progress. Could happen.

Coronavirus is a universal impulse like a child kicking over sand castles, 'what will happen if..' the nature of existence seems mischievous and curious knowing the game won't ever end. The coincidences that we experience and the hopes of mice and men force us to strive for higher levels of understanding.

Trump , Smile is SPACE FORCE

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LMAO
There really may be no better cure for chaos than order, we have a quest to obtain the "100th Monkey" effect. A majority adapt the behavior necessary for universal progress. Could happen.


The only problem I see is that we should trust the good intentions of those good shepherds who promise us this wonderful order Smile In Russia even metro tickets are now linked to the ID, so any movements of a person between metro stations are monitored and recorded for history...      


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It's troubling indeed. There may be good ideas but good shepherds probably appeal only to sheep.

A solar wind could set us all back to rocks and sticks, near human extinction, loss of technology and then begin again. 
The first humans may have experienced thoughts as external forces. Certain animal behavior and weather in any form was an expression of the force of the gods. The students of ancient mystery schools sought information from the natural world through an unseen intelligence. Information was more accessible with the use of intoxicants. Byzantine Churches paint Jesus and saints alongside mushrooms, lots of mushrooms. Shaman and Santa too.

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Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:

It's troubling indeed. There may be good ideas but good shepherds probably appeal only to sheep.

A solar wind could set us all back to rocks and sticks, near human extinction, loss of technology and then begin again. 
The first humans may have experienced thoughts as external forces. Certain animal behavior and weather in any form was an expression of the force of the gods. The students of ancient mystery schools sought information from the natural world through an unseen intelligence. Information was more accessible with the use of intoxicants. Byzantine Churches paint Jesus and saints alongside mushrooms, lots of mushrooms. Shaman and Santa too.


I think the only case when leaving the Earth would be considered as an option is when the planet is hit by a broad-scale natural disaster. I doubt that searching for a new planet to settle would be the preferred option. It's more likely that the selected group of survivors will be orbiting the Earth for some time in the hope that sooner or later the climate would restore, than it's time to get back on Earth and start rebuilding from the scratch whatever has been ruined. In this respect Jesus and mushrooms will be certainly of the great help on the orbit.
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Jordan Peterson talks about order and chaos, to him the fruitful spot is on the edge between the two.  Order leads to authoritarianism of which the nanny state is a kinder, gentler version.  At the worst we get Hitler or Mao, Stalin or Pol Pot.  Peterson lectures on Solzinytzen, Orwell, Hitler's dinner lectures.

Chaos is bad too, but for a different reason, chaos goes every which way at the same time, but diffuse no power, no focus.  Order ends up insisting that everybody go the same direction, everybody, no exceptions, no excuse, no other view tolerated.  But that same direction ends up being plural, and then there is a desire to stomp out the heretical versions.

I think that life will get into outer space, although it may not be us, homo sapiens.  It will be us as in life in general.  I assume that there is nothing else kickin' out there.  I understand they grow bacteria on the outside of the space station.  Certain bacteria might be useful mining asteroids.  Which the fact they are suggesting that implies that bacteria can survive and thrive(?) in space.
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Sure. Ad astra per aspera  Big smile Why would we need to leave the Earth? We can't resolve even our social tensions on Earth. So I dont suppose it would be reasonable for us to bring all the sh*t we live in any further and deeper to the universe.

Wiki-Per aspera ad astra (or, less commonly, ad astra per aspera) is a popular Latin phrase meaning "through hardships to the stars". The phrase is one of the many Latin sayings that use the expression ad astra, meaning "to the stars".
In a high entropy system such as ours, the "stars" remain the millions of Twitter opinions. Signaling mutually agreed upon virtues as the pocket broadcasters insure at least a decade of boot on the neck policy for citizen x. 
The covid 19 virus just sells itself, citizens now report each other for failure to follow safety protocol. The idea came from citizen groups in the US themselves, no longer defenders of Liberty fear mongers and generations of public school failure are out with pitchforks and torches. 

Virus safety measures that were dismissed last January are now obligatory, such as face masks. Unless I misread it completely, the newly compulsory use of masks is so that others will know that you won't get them sick. Know in what sense?
If the mask is protecting you, how can I get you sick ? 
Yes a lot of sh*t. No way we get out of the solar system in a high entropy free for all. 
Ancient Egyptians, an example of a low entropy system did achieve great progress in building and medicine, science/alchemy. 

Why go to outer space if we can? Why climb the mountain? Old MT Everest- because it is there and hopefully outer space is not covered in excreta and the cadavers of dead climbers

poorly handled waste, misuse of resources and the desire to mine every pebble of fuel generating minerals maintains status quo. A new way of thinking might help humanity to see further than Hubble- where it went blank- imagine the view just stops?! I would definitely stay in the Space Station overnight if I ever got the chance. Where do explorers go next? If not the ocean must be the sky. 




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I think the only case when leaving the Earth would be considered as an option is when the planet is hit by a broad-scale natural disaster. I doubt that searching for a new planet to settle would be the preferred option. It's more likely that the selected group of survivors will be orbiting the Earth for some time in the hope that sooner or later the climate would restore, than it's time to get back on Earth and start rebuilding from the scratch whatever has been ruined. In this respect Jesus and mushrooms will be certainly of the great help on the orbit.
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Oh yea space age Titanic, pods for life boats like in Star Wars? An escape would be a dismal affair just passing the time until you are crushed.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

Jordan Peterson talks about order and chaos, to him the fruitful spot is on the edge between the two.  Order leads to authoritarianism of which the nanny state is a kinder, gentler version.  At the worst we get Hitler or Mao, Stalin or Pol Pot.  Peterson lectures on Solzinytzen, Orwell, Hitler's dinner lectures.
Petersen has the back round in psychiatry that adds a kind of over view effect.
Progress is not always forced, should it be? Immunizations for example.

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Chaos is bad too, but for a different reason, chaos goes every which way at the same time, but diffuse no power, no focus.  Order ends up insisting that everybody go the same direction, everybody, no exceptions, no excuse, no other view tolerated.  But that same direction ends up being plural, and then there is a desire to stomp out the heretical versions. [quote] Chaos was literally the Me2 movement. Finally this week a mild abatement in screeching about "Believe ALL WOMEN."

[quote]I think that life will get into outer space, although it may not be us, homo sapiens.  It will be us as in life in general.  I assume that there is nothing else kickin' out there.  I understand they grow bacteria on the outside of the space station.  Certain bacteria might be useful mining asteroids.  Which the fact they are suggesting that implies that bacteria can survive and thrive(?) in space.
Bacteria in that cold? Apparently human barnacles can live outside the ISS and it will teach a good deal on micro bugs.

Astronauts collected the samples during three flights spanning 14 months, a time span that allowed the researchers to see how the microbial and fungal populations changed over locations and during time. They came from eight locations on the ISS, including the dining table, toilet, exercise equipment, a viewing window and sleeping quarters.

"The authors found that while fungal communities were stable, microbial communities were similar across locations but changed over time," researchers said in the statement. "Samples taken during the second flight mission had higher microbial diversity than samples collected during the first and third missions. The authors suggest that these temporal differences may be due to the different astronauts on board the ISS."


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Quote Virus safety measures that were dismissed last January are now obligatory, such as face masks. Unless I misread it completely, the newly compulsory use of masks is so that others will know that you won't get them sick.

In Moscow wearing face masks is now obligatory. The virus outbreak coincided with a significant internal political change, which gave some grounds for conspiracy theories. In January the authorities announced the plan that would let President Putin to be re-elected for his 3rd consecutive term, which is sorta illegal from the viewpoint of current Constitution, which restricts the number of consecutive terms of service in presidential office by 2. So what Pr. Putin did over the course of the last 20 years of his being in power was to replace the judges of the Higher Constitutional Court of Russia by his loyal supporters. To overrule the decisions of the Supreme Court is something that F.Roosevelt failed to achieve during his presidency when he and the judges were butting heads. Daron Acemoglu wrote about it in his "Why nations fail". But Russia is nothing like America, historically it's been always having autocracy, sometimes strong, sometimes weak, but nonetheless .. So what conspiracy theorists say is that the imposed quarantine measures allowed the authorities to thwart any attempts of political meetings against the vote on Constitutional changes.. Smile 
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Rahm Emmanuel during the Obama administration said "never let a crisis go to waste." and Hillary said something similar recently.  There is a feeling that the left is bargaining in bad faith, that what they want is introduce their changes, rather than limit themselves to improving the issues of the crisis.  Utopian reform instead of piecemeal reform.

What I am reading right now is Aristotle's De Anima (on the Soul), it is not about history, it _is_ history (of an intellectual kind), the first Book of it touches on other philosophical theories of the soul by pre-Aristotelian philosophers.  If you don't like to think of souls, then think of metabolisms.  The organism has some kind of independence from its environs, because of its metabolism.

It is hard when certain positions that where initially dismissed, become the latest mantra.  Don't get me wrong, it is the way things usually progress in life, two steps forward, one step back.  Again, piecemeal reform (Sir Karl Popper), not utopian reform (Karl Marx).  But, people thirst for getting it "absolutely" right the first time.  Fact is, it doesn't work that way.  Caring about nothing but health, screws you over for economics, the pendulum is swinging in the other direction, even under the best circumstances, you can't really steer the (angry) masses.  A politician is someone who gets in front of the mob, and then thinks he's leading.  Popper has a book called "The Poverty of Historicism," I think it is a play off of Marx's phrase 'the Poverty of Capitalism.'
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What I am reading right now is Aristotle's De Anima (on the Soul), it is not about history, it _is_ history (of an intellectual kind), the first Book of it touches on other philosophical theories of the soul by pre-Aristotelian philosophers.  If you don't like to think of souls, then think of metabolisms.  The organism has some kind of independence from its environs, because of its metabolism.

Francis Bacon-his idea about the Soul is described in a fashion not unlike Aristotle's. Myself certainly not a philosophy master but I do know that Bacon used the idea of the material world coming into being from the ethos and gradually into material existence. 
In the Scientific Method Bacon identified liquid, gas and solid. In the Rosicrucian theology Bacon's elements were first ether, mineral then vegetable/flesh. 
New states in the process were preceded by the arrival of a constellation and it reflected the meaning of each dimension. For example the Sun comes into existence in the sign of Leo, as the stars in Leo themselves are coming into existence. The planets are a mirror of the human organs (for the ancient mystery schools) each planet having a corresponding organ and mineral.

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How is Francis Bacon's idea of the soul described?  From the ethos?!?  Does Bacon use that term?  Something like the material world exists because it is good??  
The 'regular' elements are, solid, liquid, gas (I would put them in that order), fire, aether. Know-it-alls dismiss fire as being merely a process of oxidization, but a modern substitute for fire would be plasma.  aether might also count as plasma.  The states of matter are solid, liquid, gas, plasma, also there is another state of matter that exists at a few degrees above absolute zero.  There may be another beyond plasma but I am not sure about that.

I wonder if Bacon has the mister potato head model of matter.  In other words, life is merely matter with something added.  Descartes dissected (vivisected?) animals trying to figure out the mechanism by which they worked.  LaMetrie wrote a book called Man the Machine, viewing man as merely a mechanistic sum of the parts.  Personally, I think that not only man, but animals and plants have a soul, I am not sure about Corona virus.  Understand that the Christian prohibition against killing [things with souls] doesn't come into play in Aristotle's notion of the soul.  For Aristotle, you are neither saved nor damned because you have a soul and what you (do/don't) do with it.  Part of the soul is eternal, but looking at Plato, it is not clear that just because there is something that survives, that there is a you to survive.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

How is Francis Bacon's idea of the soul described?  From the ethos?!?  Does Bacon use that term?  Something like the material world exists because it is good??
 
Bacon used the terms that alchemists before, and after would use including Paracelsus, Robert Flood, Newton and Ficino. 

"The World Soul" "Mind of God" "Eye of God" all a reflection of the solar system through which the gods emit influence on earth. The vestigial connection to the mind and sight of god would be the pineal glad. The latern maintained a connection with an ethereal order of existence and beings or gods that humans then lost access to as the material world dense. Enoch/Cadmon and Hermes Trimegistus were the last to see the gods descend as low as the earth. 

Humans withdrew into their own heads in order to further focus his progress into flesh. This is described as the "Fall" in the Rosicrucian ideology, man is eventually cut off from what was once an integrated spiritual and material life into his own head. The result was technology and loss of altruism even nature becomes red in tooth and claw. The serpent from the bible is in the story of Jason and the golden fleece and in the labors of Hercules. Man will have death now and suffer along with all of creation as a result of complexity the serpent is the symbol wisdom and deceit including the ability to lie to one's self.

Man is perceived as the culmination of every animal species. Zeus has been depicted with the tail of a fish as has Poseidon and Oannes among many others. Apes were thought to be eager souls who tried to assume human forms too soon and become apes instead. Finally in the density of materiel existence a cycle of life and death brought forth the thought of killing. Rosicrucians  compared Plato's "Cave" to the human skull closing to the spirit that is preserved in the nervous system.


Quote I wonder if Bacon has the mister potato head model of matter.  In other words, life is merely matter with something added.  Descartes dissected (vivisected?) animals trying to figure out the mechanism by which they worked.  LaMetrie wrote a book called Man the Machine, viewing man as merely a mechanistic sum of the parts.  Personally, I think that not only man, but animals and plants have a soul, I am not sure about Corona virus.  Understand that the Christian prohibition against killing [things with souls] doesn't come into play in Aristotle's notion of the soul.  For Aristotle, you are neither saved nor damned because you have a soul and what you (do/don't) do with it.  Part of the soul is eternal, but looking at Plato, it is not clear that just because there is something that survives, that there is a you to survive.
Matter is a veiled existence for the Rosicrucian, the subconscious is the portal to souls and it's purely ethereal. Plato does use the term World Soul in Timaeus. 

Could Plato have changed his mind about the soul? A few times? Maybe the soul is more than the sum of its parts.
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Realize that everything that Plato wrote was in dialogue form, except for the Apology, Letters and Poems.
So Plato is not saying anything, his dramatic character Socrates might be saying something, and he may say one thing to one group, and another thing to another group, depending on, say, how advanced they were.

Have been reading a book off and on for awhile, called "A Most Dangerous Book" about Tacitus' Germania, which the Nazis romanticized.  I want to say the author last name is "Krebs"?
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Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:


Could Plato have changed his mind about the soul? A few times? Maybe the soul is more than the sum of its parts.

Jews didn't have the idea of soul in their religious philosophy at all, it came from Greeks through Plato and Orpheus and then became almost universally accepted because of Christianity. I personally tend to think that the idea of everyone being born with a pre-determined set of qualities is a bit of exaggeration and barely relies on any evidence. I think John Locke's idea of a human mind as "empty cabinet" filled by life and by other people is more plausible.

PS  I've started reading a new book on International relations of 20th century. It's written by professor Sergey Nazaria from Moldova Smile


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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

Realize that everything that Plato wrote was in dialogue form, except for the Apology, Letters and Poems.
So Plato is not saying anything, his dramatic character Socrates might be saying something, and he may say one thing to one group, and another thing to another group, depending on, say, how advanced they were.

Ok, I realize it's Plato but it's not just Plato. The "World Soul" is a phrase that permeates myetery schools and occultism.
So, Plato is saying something that was probably told to Solon and he is repeating it as did so many others. It's not just phrase it's the accepted state of existence. 
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Quote Virus safety measures that were dismissed last January are now obligatory, such as face masks. Unless I misread it completely, the newly compulsory use of masks is so that others will know that you won't get them sick.

In Moscow wearing face masks is now obligatory. The virus outbreak coincided with a significant internal political change, which gave some grounds for conspiracy theories.
Political Change in Russia, US, global?

Quote In January the authorities announced the plan that would let President Putin to be re-elected for his 3rd consecutive term, which is sorta illegal from the viewpoint of current Constitution, which restricts the number of consecutive terms of service in presidential office by 2. So what Pr. Putin did over the course of the last 20 years of his being in power was to replace the judges of the Higher Constitutional Court of Russia by his loyal supporters.
The shock came from Putin second consecutive term, now it seems you have a lifer.

Quote To overrule the decisions of the Supreme Court is something that F.Roosevelt failed to achieve during his presidency when he and the judges were butting heads. Daron Acemoglu wrote about it in his "Why nations fail".
Roosevelt won 3 terms, how does he fail?
Quote So what conspiracy theorists say is that the imposed quarantine measures allowed the authorities to thwart any attempts of political meetings against the vote on Constitutional changes.. Smile 
And here is has allowed the Democratic Leftist to take away rights from business owners and working people. Leftists Democrats want US to borrow another $3 Trillion from China, strip US citizens of the ability to do businesses and give illegals the right to vote and collect covid 19 impact payments. 
Then it all rounds up with mass release of criminals and jobs for undocumented workers so they can vote- by mail.

If it were not for Chinese doctors, the WHO and China would have continued to spread disinformation. 
If Trump had not stopped racist flights from China in January we would have suffered as badly as Europe has.
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Quote Roosevelt won 3 terms, how does he fail?

I was writing about overruling the decisions of the Supreme Court. 

Roosevelt won 3 and 4 terms because the US Constitution was different at that time and allowed more than 2 terms. In Russia the Constitution currently disallows the 3rd term, but Mr. Putin is about to change that. Not only that. The current version of Russian Constitution allows Mr.Putin to appoint 17 out of 187 members of Russian Federation Council aka Senate (in fact, this is a rather recent change, because Boris Yeltsin didn't have the right to appoint even 1 senator), but now Mr. Putin wants to expand the Federation Council and appoint 30 out of its 200 members. It's akin to what Julius Caesar did to the Roman Senate 2 millenia ago Smile


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Originally posted by Novosedoff Novosedoff wrote:

Quote Roosevelt won 3 terms, how does he fail?

I was writing about overruling the decisions of the Supreme Court. 

Roosevelt won 3 and 4 terms because the US Constitution was different at that time and allowed more than 2 terms. In Russia the Constitution currently disallows the 3rd term, but Mr. Putin is about to change that. Not only that. The current version of Russian Constitution allows Mr.Putin to appoint 17 out of 187 members of Russian Federation Council aka Senate (in fact, this is a rather recent change, because Boris Yeltsin didn't have the right to appoint even 1 senator), but now Mr. Putin wants to expand the Federation Council and appoint 30 out of its 200 members. It's akin to what Julius Caesar did to the Roman Senate 2 millenia ago Smile
I see, yes you are correct he failed to pack the court.

How long is Putin going to continue? 

I understood Putin to be 'approved of' by the Russian people.
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