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Golly, pinguin, that's impressive!  All we have is the Beast of the Beacons!
 
This may possibly be an escaped panther.  My late husband used to do volunteer work for the local wildlife trust, and once he was sent up to the Sennybridge ranges to investigate a possible siting.  This is where the British Army practice shooting at things and blowing things up - occasionally sheep step on a UXB and end up all over the scenery - so he had to go in with an army escort for safety.  The sergeant was positive that he hadn't seen a house cat, and he was a trained observer.
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Thanks Eigon. If you want to know a bit more about Chiloe Island folk and myth, here you go
 
 
 
Just a final picture of a Chilote Sea Horse, another monster of that curious island.
 
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"Storsjoeodjuret" (the Great lake Monster) in Jaemtland, Sweden.
 
A water creature of much greater fame (and size) than the monster in the Varberg moat is of course the Great Lake monster in "Storsjoen" (the Great Lake) in the province of Jaemtland, northern Sweden. It was first mentioned in writing  in 1635. From the 19th century and onwards reports of sightings have been common.
 
In 1894 there were even a comapany founded with the purpose of catching the monster. The king Oscar II contributed money to the enterprise and so did the city of Oestersund. But despite these efforts no monster was captured.
 
1986 the regional authorities prohibited all hunting after the Great Lake monster and also all damage on the monsters nest or eggs. In 2006 the prohibition was lifted since it was considered that it was based on not verifiable facts and that the existence of the monster could not be proven.
 
The monster is a popular attraction and every summer a lot of tourists come to try and catch a glimpse of the strange creature.
 
 
 
Actually, already on a thousand year old runstone on the island of Froesoen in The Great Lake one can see a monster, or a dragon, depicted, but if it has something to do with the monster in the lake is uncertain since dragons were a rather common adornment on runstones.
 
 
The runstone on Froesoen
 
 


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Originally posted by Knights Knights wrote:

In Australian folklore we have the mysterious Bunyip

Don't forget the Drop Koala or is that modern tourist tat?

Originally posted by KnightsWe also have a Yowie, but I don't know if this is just another name for a Bunyip. Does anybody know if there exists a distinction between the two..?<br>
[/QUOTE KnightsWe also have a Yowie, but I don't know if this is just another name for a Bunyip. Does anybody know if there exists a distinction between the two..?
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Not being an expert on any of this, my convict cousins tell me that the Yowie is a sort of Australian Yeti....



Not being an expert on any of this, my convict cousins tell me that the Yowie is a sort of Australian Yeti....

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Originally posted by Knights Knights wrote:

In Australian folklore we have the mysterious Bunyip which dwells in billabongs and similar bodies of water. It can be traced to the Aboriginal dreaming, and can also be likened to various Australian megafauna (which probably ties into its place in the dreamtime).
 
Patricia Wrightson, acclaimed writer of the superb Wirrun books once wrote a novel called The Bunyip Hole:
 
book cover of &amp;#10;&amp;#13;The Bunyip Hole &amp;#10;&amp;#13;by&amp;#10;&amp;#13;Patricia Wrightson
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

1986 the regional authorities prohibited all hunting after the Great Lake monster and also all damage on the monsters nest or eggs. In 2006 the prohibition was lifted since it was considered that it was based on not verifiable facts and that the existence of the monster could not be proven.
 

It wasn't considered. It was a dull Stockholm bureaucrat who put his nose in other people's business.
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Originally posted by Styrbiorn Styrbiorn wrote:

It wasn't considered. It was a dull Stockholm bureaucrat who put his nose in other people's business.
 
Well it seems that a person in 2002 complained over the countys descision to protect the monster. The case came up in the "miljoedomstolen" (environmental court) which said that one cannot protect an animal species that one cannot prove the existence of. In 2005  the "Justitieombudsmannen" (the Parliamentary Ombudsman, an authority charged with the supervision of the public authorities.) claimed that it shared the view of the court. Faced with these opinions the county authorities choosed to redraw the protection of the monster, it´s eggs and nests.


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Yep, that's a rephrasal of what I said. 
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according to North.....
 
my mother in law.... it was a joke....Wink
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eeeegads - all these monsters are giving me the heeby geebies. I guess I will need to carry something bigger than a 9mm in the wild. Next I will be hearing stories of people sighting giant rattle snakes-


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Originally posted by Panther Panther wrote:


Originally posted by Knights Knights wrote:

Originally posted by Eagelcap Eagelcap wrote:

Hey in nature this would be a good thread- snakes that almost bit me
Go for it, Eaglecap!
Oh my god! That reminds me of a time that a rattler almost did bite me, and in the worse possible spot for a growing boy!btw... has anybody else here tried rattlesnake meat?


I will start it on nature so please join us and tell us the story. I have come close to being bitten and I'll bet it hurts like all hades.
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Alligators here in Dallas, Texas.  These monsters are native to South East Texas. But... they have been slowly developing the ability to live in colder weather and breeding populations are turning up in more and more local lakes.
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A couple of years ago they found a dead baby crocodile in the lake Stora Lee in west Sweden. It is thought that someone imported the animal illegally and later got tired of it and released it in the lake. Here in Sweden the waters are mostly to cold for crocodiles to survive so the animal died.
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The Bunyip is very similar to the Kelpie:   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelpie
 
 
The Kelpie has a thousand variations. I know some older people that still genuinely believe in Fairies and are scared out of their wits of them. Irish Fairies are wicked sorts according to history...eh I mean hearsay legend.
 
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Talking about Bunyips, Kelpies and similar, in that context we also must remember the Mokele-mbembe famous water monster from the Congo River basin in central Africa. This monster is said to kill and eat hippopotamuses and other large animals and it is also supposed dangerous for people. It seems that the tale about this creature stems from different indigenous peoples in the Congo basin but it has also been taken up by westerners. Some of these have even organized expeditions to try and find the mythical beast. Some think that the Mokele-mbembe could be some sort of dinosaur that has managed to survive deep in the African forest.
 
 
 
 


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eaglecap mentions the two most famous monsters in this part of the world, Ogopogo in Okanagan Lake(which is very deep like the Scotish Lochs) and Sasquatch(Big Foot) that people are supposed to have seen all over the Pacific Northwest going back to when just the First Nations were here.

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Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

A couple of years ago they found a dead baby crocodile in the lake Stora Lee in west Sweden.
I wish that were the case here. The evergaldes are over run with Burmese Pythons and I imagine that it is ony a matter of time before some one releases crocodiles.
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It seems that the number of American crocodiles are on the increase in Florida. It has been seen in many locations where it has not earlier been seen in many, many years.

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Well, I do have the old lady on my block, she still refuses to give me my football back. The children are terrified of her.

Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

It seems that the number of American crocodiles are on the increase in Florida. It has been seen in many locations where it has not earlier been seen in many, many years.

Probably a result of expansion into crocodile territory. Imagine taking out the trash one night and discovering one of them digging into your garbage can? 
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Originally posted by Jallaludin Akbar Jallaludin Akbar wrote:

Although I live in the New York metropolitan area of New Jersey, I did hear stories of the dreaded "Jersey Devil" in the Pine Barrens of Southern NJ. Its basically a horse with bat wings and tail that eats people
 
The Pine Barrens was once home for Swedish (and Finnish) settlers with their roots in the colony of New Sweden. Some names down there still reminds of the Swedes (and Fins) as Mullica River after Eric Mullica and Batsto River after his Sauna (Sauna is Bastu or Badstuga in Swedish which has become Batsto).
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Originally posted by DukeC DukeC wrote:

 going back to when just the First Nations were here.
 
According to folklorist and classic schoolar Adrienne Mayor some of the tales about monsters and similar among the First Nations (and in other places in the world) were inspired by fossils that now and then erode out of cliffs and become visible:
 
 
 
See also the thread Your countrys largest animal? about this.
 
 
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In England there are several places where there have been big cat sightings, usually a panther. No-one has ever caught one but a couple of blurred photos have been taken.
 
It is plausible they do exist, about 20 years ago there was a fad for importing large cats as pets - I believe this is now banned.
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Here in Sweden we had a lot of sightings of a kangoroo in the province of Varmland some years ago. No Kangaroo were ever found. And in Finland there were reported several sightings of a lion one summer also some years ago. The lion was never found either.

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Here is the classic book of cryptozoology, Bernard Heuvelmans On the Track of Unknown Animals, first published in 1955. Here one can read about a lot of unknown and undiscovered beasts of all kinds.
 


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An interesting creature that some people here in Sweden say that they have seen is the Laughing Perch. Sometimes when people have been angling they got a perch on the hook that has run up on land, with four small legs, and then quickly climbed a tree. Up in the tree the creature has then been sitting laughing, which mostly has frightened the anglers, that experienced such strange encounter, so much that they have run away from the place.

Some people have tried to claim that the stories of the laughing perch should have been inspired by sightings of salamanders, but that do no explain the laughter.

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This is a very rare photograph of an immature haggis, as it's not an adult, it's difficult to be accurate about the breed, but it may be a Scotticus nobilis:-


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I was walking in the forest beside my house last night and I noticed something moving, moving really slowly beside me. The faint smell of sulphur was in the air and there was a feeling of electric intensity all around me. Then! - it saw me. I turned my sheeny vans for flight, but ere I parted, I turned and looked the devilish rogue right in the face. It looked scared, so I round-house kicked it, then I poked it with a big stick on the ground. Only then did I look at the creature that has encountered me.

 The thing that lay half-bent on its side in a foetid pool of greenish-yellow ichor and tarry stickiness was almost nine feet tall, and the stick had torn off all the clothing and some of the skin.... It was partly human, beyond a doubt, with very manlike hands and head, and the chinless face had the look of a goat about it. But the torso and lower parts of the body were teratologically fabulous, so that only generous clothing could ever have enabled it to walk on earth unchallenged or uneradicated.
 
Above the waist it was semi-anthropomorphic; though its chest...had the leathery, reticulated hide of a crocodile or alligator. The back was piebald with yellow and black, and dimly suggested the squamous covering of certain snakes. Below the waist, though, it was the worst; for here all human resemblance left off and sheer phantasy began. The skin was thickly covered with coarse black fur, and from the abdomen a score of long greenish-grey tentacles with red sucking mouths protruded limply.

Their arrangement was odd, and seemed to follow the symmetries of some cosmic geometry unknown to earth or the solar system. On each of the hips, deep set in a kind of pinkish, ciliated orbit, was what seemed to be a rudimentary eye; whilst in lieu of a tail there depended a kind of trunk or feeler with purple annular markings, and with many evidences of being an undeveloped mouth or throat. The limbs, save for their black fur, roughly resembled the hind legs of prehistoric earth's giant saurians, and terminated in ridgy-veined pads that were neither hooves nor claws.

 
That's right, it was teratologically fabulous, and you better believe it.
 
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This is a quick sketch I drew after I got home:
 
 
 
 
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Amazing adventure and also an amazing sketch Wink
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During my time out in the Murri communties of Queensland I got to know more than I wanted to about Ginjardi. (I don't even know if I've got the spelling out cause I've never seen the word written down). Ginjardi is a child sized spirit that guards drametime places and and steals children. I worked with a teacher who told me how when she was a child a Ginjardi stole her little sisiter and her famile searched the hill all night to find her tucked up (alive and well) inside a hollow log.
One day another 'white fella' and I were helping collect smoothed down river rocks for a 'Cupmurri' (a type of earth oven). We'd had all went in different directions in cars to find enought smooth stones any my mate found a lonely creek where he found lots of smooth stones that he brought back. A few days later he started to have dreams where a Ginjardi was sprikling sand onto his eyes and face while he was trying to get to sleep, but every time he opened his eyes the Ginjardi had disappeared. He spoke to some of the Elders about it and it turned out the stones he had taken came from a sacred place. He returned the stones, and elder performed a ceremony and the nightmares ended.
I've no pictures of a Ginjardi, in my first year in the community I in ignorance tried to get my 12 year olds to draw me a wanted poster of a Ginjardi for an art activity and the kids freaked out! So no pictures to show you, but their is hundreds of stories out their, and this 'white fella' only knows a few of them!
 
If anyone knowa the correct spelling for Ginjardi I'd be happy to know it.
 
(1st day of holidays. Had four bottles of own home brew. Sorry for spelling mistakes.) 
 
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