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I suggest summary execution.
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Teabags in the sink again, Zagros?
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No, a lot worse.  I cleaned the kitchen spotless, then the German girlfriend of my German flatmate (who's been squatting here for the last month and for the remainder of the contract) came along and made herself breakfast and left the place a bombsite of crumbs, butter and cheese.  Absolute disrespect, and this is not the first time it's happened. She also uses my stuff and doesn't wash them afterwards.  I hate her.

Don't get me started on teabags in the sink, thankfully that's one thing I have avoided by not having any British flatmates.  I'm getting my own place after this.  No more putting up with people's sh*t.
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You need to find a clean and responsible person like yourself or will end up cleaning the whole apartment. I lived alone for 2 years until I found a good flatmate.

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Certainly not in this case.  They mess up the shared living areas but keep their personal space clean and tidy from what I have seen.  I'm the other way round.
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It all comes down to respect and/or conditioning Zagros. If your roommate or guests still act up then confront them assertively, but nicely, and get to the point. If after that crumbs continue to flourish then you need your own place. Once you do you will not turn back to sharing.

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Yeah, I have already mentioned it.  No respect for personal space and no consideration either.  No wonder they've started two world wars.  Just kidding Embarrassed
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I find laziness a rather innocent, almost endearing, crime. It's inconsiderate to cause a mess for others, but lazy people in my experience tend to do this not out of spite but are simply too weak to discipline themselves to be tidy. It's the tidy people who can make your life hell.
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Originally posted by Reginmund Reginmund wrote:

I find laziness a rather innocent, almost endearing, crime. It's inconsiderate to cause a mess for others, but lazy people in my experience tend to do this not out of spite but are simply too weak to discipline themselves to be tidy. It's the tidy people who can make your life hell.

You call laziness a condition, I tend to think it's more of a choice that self-perpetuates.

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I've lived with filthy inconsiderate people before, and in my experience, no amount of talking to them will change their habits. You just have to move out in the long run.
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Invite all your mates around, and rehearse with them beforehand so when they walk in the door they point out all the mess and mention what a dirty pig your housemate would have to be to make such a mess. Have them laugh and humiliate your housemate for their sloppiness.

Ok ok, it's not really a solution. But hell, if you are feeling punitive then it might just be fun Big smile
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Standards come with age as well as upbringing imo.  If I am honest, I think I just find the invasion of the squatter the issue and take particular offence with her selfishness.  I pity people who still live like students long after they've graduated and the contract on this place is up next month, I am so getting my own little studio flat.

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Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

Originally posted by Reginmund Reginmund wrote:

I find laziness a rather innocent, almost endearing, crime. It's inconsiderate to cause a mess for others, but lazy people in my experience tend to do this not out of spite but are simply too weak to discipline themselves to be tidy. It's the tidy people who can make your life hell.

You call laziness a condition, I tend to think it's more of a choice that self-perpetuates.
 
But that's true for so many psychological conditions.
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So Zagros you have learned that scholarly penury has an ingrained drawback! Of course, as a scholar just a casual reading of Herman Hesse should have left you forewarned about the nature of German "cleanliness"! German cockroaches are not only the insect! OK. OK, perhaps I am being a bit too florid since roommate narratives litter the personal landscape. Count yourself lucky that the flatmate did not have the tendency to share your bed as well!
 
Always keep in mind the old Spanish proverb: Mejor solo que mal acompanado [Better alone than in bad company].


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Originally posted by Reginmund Reginmund wrote:

Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

Originally posted by Reginmund Reginmund wrote:

I find laziness a rather innocent, almost endearing, crime. It's inconsiderate to cause a mess for others, but lazy people in my experience tend to do this not out of spite but are simply too weak to discipline themselves to be tidy. It's the tidy people who can make your life hell.

You call laziness a condition, I tend to think it's more of a choice that self-perpetuates.
 
But that's true for so many psychological conditions.

I'd love to see the reaction if people started getting diagnosed with 'laziness'!
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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

So Zagros you have learned that scholarly penury has an ingrained drawback! Of course, as a scholar just a casual reading of Herman Hesse should have left you forewarned about the nature of German "cleanliness"! German cockroaches are not only the insect! OK. OK, perhaps I am being a bit too florid since roommate narratives litter the personal landscape. Count yourself lucky that the flatmate did not have the tendency to share your bed as well!
 
Always keep in mind the old Spanish proverb: Mejor solo que mal acompanado [Better alone than in bad company].


Ha ha,  thumbs up for this.


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Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

Originally posted by Reginmund Reginmund wrote:

Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

Originally posted by Reginmund Reginmund wrote:

I find laziness a rather innocent, almost endearing, crime. It's inconsiderate to cause a mess for others, but lazy people in my experience tend to do this not out of spite but are simply too weak to discipline themselves to be tidy. It's the tidy people who can make your life hell.

You call laziness a condition, I tend to think it's more of a choice that self-perpetuates.
 
But that's true for so many psychological conditions.

I'd love to see the reaction if people started getting diagnosed with 'laziness'!


I see it as the mental version of obesity.  An illness completely of your own making.

Anyway, a little (un)common courtesy goes a long way with me.
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This is why I have no desire to live with people outside of my family
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An old thread, but one which I feel like renewing.

For the past two weeks my slovenly Liverpudlian housemate has been visiting his family in Perth (the Aussie one). And I love how clean the place is. I can take dishes and glasses out of the cupboard and trust they are spotless (because I have cleaned them myself). The toilet is pristine, clutter exists nowhere. Tea stains don't need to be cleaned up, and I can use the fine wine and beer glasses mum and dad bought me for Christmas without needing to fear any of them will be smashed (he broke all 4 of the wine glasses mum gave me for Christmas of 2010 within 5 months - f**k me how careless).

Prudently I am the only one on the lease. Despite his protestations (born of an inflated sense of entitlement) that he ought to be on it also, I have not extended that privilege to him. When he returns I will require him to adhere to strict standards, and frankly say that if he fails I will give him his month's notice so he will need to move out.

It fits in nicely with the new years resolution I made, and I look forward to enforcing it stringently.


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I've lived with filthy inconsiderate people before, and in my experience, no amount of talking to them will change their habits. You just have to move out in the long run.



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No, not you Denis you silly bear! Darren Allen was the culprit, the filthy beggar. He had never learned how to cook, so had the bottom burned off every pot and pan in the place, add to that a pathological problem with clothing, washing up and general house-tidiness and you've got the dirtiest person I've ever had to live with. I had to draw a line down the centre of the bedroom over which his filth couldn't spread.

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Originally posted by Constantine XI Constantine XI wrote:

An old thread, but one which I feel like renewing.

For the past two weeks my slovenly Liverpudlian housemate has been visiting his family in Perth (the Aussie one). And I love how clean the place is. I can take dishes and glasses out of the cupboard and trust they are spotless (because I have cleaned them myself). The toilet is pristine, clutter exists nowhere. Tea stains don't need to be cleaned up, and I can use the fine wine and beer glasses mum and dad bought me for Christmas without needing to fear any of them will be smashed (he broke all 4 of the wine glasses mum gave me for Christmas of 2010 within 5 months - f**k me how careless).

Prudently I am the only one on the lease. Despite his protestations (born of an inflated sense of entitlement) that he ought to be on it also, I have not extended that privilege to him. When he returns I will require him to adhere to strict standards, and frankly say that if he fails I will give him his month's notice so he will need to move out.

It fits in nicely with the new years resolution I made, and I look forward to enforcing it stringently.


Enjoy the bliss while it lasts mate.  Thanks for bumping this thread, I had a right laugh reading through it again.  And don't get me started on Scousers.  My god, I wanted to have nasal castration, if such a thing exists.

Anyway, my best flatmate ever was a Greek one, but his pursuit of cleanly harmony (which he was adamant shouldn't be disturbed) was counterbalanced by a filthy Pole and Spaniard to whose existences hygiene and common courtesy were alien.
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Quote Enjoy the bliss while it lasts mate.  Thanks for bumping this thread, I had a right laugh reading through it again.  And don't get me started on Scousers.  My god, I wanted to have nasal castration, if such a thing exists.


My step father paid me a visit after I had my wisdom teeth out recently, and when passing near my flatmate's room he could not help but comment on the scent. This is a man from a small and rough New Zealand country town who works in the Australian heat doing an intensely physical manual job and has no airs and graces regarding cologne or other such vanities. So that's saying something.

Quote Anyway, my best flatmate ever was a Greek one, but his pursuit of cleanly harmony (which he was adamant shouldn't be disturbed) was counterbalanced by a filthy Pole and Spaniard to whose existences hygiene and common courtesy were alien.


I find Asians (in this part of the world, Asian means Sinic rather than Hindic) to be superbly clean and responsible as a general rule.

I decided 2012 should be different to 2011. I want the place clean enough that I can bring my mates over without having to pre-emptively apologise. Considering I totally furnish the place, collect the mail, take care of bill payments etc I would expect my housemate to at least pull their weight covering their half of the chores. The agreement is to clean up as we make a mess. For communal chores like vacuuming, dishes, taking out rubbish, mopping etc we function according to the rule of one of us doing one week and the other doing the next. But he leaves his cleaning run days behind if he does them at all, allows dishes to build up over 4 days, and does a sloppy half assed job when he gets around to the chores.

So last night I grew a pair and basically told him that if he doesn't lift his standards to an acceptable level that I would give him his month's notice and he would be on his way (he isn't on the lease, so I can do that). He was close to tears, it was utterly ridiculous. The depths of human slovenliness astound me. For the cost of approximately 3 hours per fortnight he could honour his agreement to keep the place respectably clean and keep his dignity. And instead of accepting responsibility for doing his bit I get excuses, counter-accusations, emotional tirades....

Just based on the reaction I am tempted to boot him.
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Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

No, not you Denis you silly bear! Darren Allen was the culprit, the filthy beggar. He had never learned how to cook, so had the bottom burned off every pot and pan in the place, add to that a pathological problem with clothing, washing up and general house-tidiness and you've got the dirtiest person I've ever had to live with. I had to draw a line down the centre of the bedroom over which his filth couldn't spread.

Wow, it just reminds me of the story you told me about Parnel!...Confused ..Embarrassed
Once I had this housemate who used to leave food on the oven and go for his business or take a nap all the time. The idiot used to deactivate smoke detector to avoid the disturbing noise. He finally burnt half of the kitchen to learn a lesson, he was lucky the house was his uncle's property.



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After living with a Malaysian girl in my teens I am totally converted the the Asian way of doing things. Near the front door I have a shoe rack. It's simply civilised, think of what you step in every day.

Shoes in the bathroom are anathema, and another thing I have had cause to be annoyed over.
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There is nothing worse than the abject rudeness of a person that asks you (tells you) to take your shoes off before you can be graced by the interior of their house. Seriously, such people don't deserve visitors, especially people who don't do it for cultural reasons.

In all the houses I've been to, lived in, pissed in, not once have I or any other person in the vicinity been poisoned, infected, or otherwise debased by the practice of keeping your shoes on indoors. The notion is ludicrous, and another symptom of the domestos society we're creating in the West. We've got an immune system, get over yourself Wacko

Out of curiosity, come to think of it, what happens when the squeaky clean visits a house with no such policy? Do you keep the shoes on, or shod them at the door?



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Originally posted by CXI CXI wrote:


After living with a Malaysian girl in my teens I am totally converted the the Asian way of doing things.

Ah, the continued Asianisation of Australia.
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Out of curiosity, come to think of it, what happens when the squeaky clean visits a house with no such policy? Do you keep the shoes on, or shod them at the door?

The system is simple.
If you see a pile of shoes near the door, you take your shoes off. If you are unsure, you take your shoes off and let the other person say it's unnecessary.

We have shoes off on carpets. But our hallways and main living areas are tiled so we don't worry about outside shoes there. Because we have a shoe rack next to the door, everybody automatically comes in and takes their shoes off.

If you march into a shoes off house with shoes on, you're uncivilised, uncultured and insensitive. If you take your shoes off in a shoes on house, your showing extra politeness and friendliness.

Taking your shoes off is like offering a cup of tea.

Quote I find Asians (in this part of the world, Asian means Sinic rather than Hindic) to be superbly clean and responsible as a general rule.


This statement is highly disputable, but I still know what you mean. I wouldn't put it in those words though, I can think of too many examples where the exact opposite is true.

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My neighbor and good friend has a different approach.
He has thick expensive wall to wall carpets in his house, and yet he insist that his guests keep their shoes on.
 
The reason is, that he doesn't like to have warm and sweaty feet wiped dry in his carpets.
Instead he has a good matt where people can clean their shoes before they enter the house.
 
This attitude comes from the fact that he himself suffers (like many others) from sweaty feet, so he always wear shoes inside his house.
 
So - what is worse that people can leave in your carpets? 
A little dirt, or other peoples sweat? 
 
 
 


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