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My prediction is that nothing remarkably good or bad will come of the Trump election.  We have wasted enough electrons on this discussion.
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I didn't say that "modern" was better, but politics, like almost everything else, can't dwell on the past. Sure, some older ideas were/are better than some of the modern alternatives, and as for art, I totally agree with you. That's why I haven't bothered going to Tasmanias Museum of New Art (MONA), which is less than a kilometre from where I live.

Policy ideas must address problems in a effective and efficient manner, with a view to the future not the past.

I tend to agree with wolfhnd-I think that this thread has run its race.



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Really? No one has any thoughts on Trump's inauguration speech? Unlike most Presidents, he wrote his own speech.
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Didn't watch the inauguration or the parade, except a little at the barber shop.  Never have watched inaugurations or state of the union addresses, it is not just him.  Prefer to hear about it second hand.
I prefer the analysis.
I don't know anything about high Tories in ancient Rome, is that like A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court?  I specifically looked at the wikipedia page on "progressive era" in the United States.  Now again, the Media and the left has twisted the meaning of progressive out of shape.  Classic Marxism is not about incremental piecemeal reforms and small improvements.  It is about Utopian change, change everything all at once so that people have nothing to compare the change with, and loose the sense of the past.  So I don't see much to do with "the progressive era" and Marxism. 

Or rather, I see progressivism as having as much to do Communism and Nazism as Popularism has to do with Communism and Nazism.


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"We're going to make America great again".

So, where to start? By eradicating a work in progress such as Obamacare?

By alienating a sizeable proportion of the population, i.e. women, hispanics?

Verbally attacking China, the second largest economy on earth?

Playing palsy with a treacherous viper-Putin?

The basic pronounciation of "making America great again" is a good start, but the problems faced by the American community are simply out of control in some cases. Gun control, drugs, pornography and official corruption just some of the major problems to contend with and Trump hasn't offered a clue as to how he's going to fix them, for one simple reason, they're out of control.

And it's all very well for wolfhnd to say that enough electrons have been wasted on this topic, but he forgets that we all, everyone on earth, have a dog in this race.


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Remember that time Republicans rioted and destroyed everything? Nope, neither do I.

Has anyone else been following the leftist childishness/violence that broke out around the USA in response to the inauguration? I'm surprised none of you have mentioned it. Well ok, I'm not surprised those of you who are only TV watchers haven't mentioned it - the dinosaur media isn't really covering it.

How about the "women's march" in Washington DC? A large collection of fat, neurotic cat-ladies. You have to give Trump some credit: he got more of these ghastly harridans to exercise in one day than Michelle Obama did in 8 years LOL
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Thank you, I have a lot of respect for Charles Krauthammer.

Obama screwed up my healthcare, and I am sure that Trump will make it worse, can't we just let sleeping dogs lie for awhile?  It is the dramatic shifts that cause the most problems.

Remember that time Democrats rioted, as Democrats, and destroyed everything?  Nope, neither do I.

There is rabble on both sides of the political spectrum, some are focused in the cities, others in the country.

So what are you saying?  People shouldn't be scared of Trump because he's all cuddly and fuzzy-wuzzy? or that people should be afraid of Trump, but of course only if you are the wrong "type" of people?
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Quote Remember that time Democrats rioted, as Democrats, and destroyed everything?  Nope, neither do I.

I do. It's happening right now. Swarms of Hillary voters who refuse to accept Trump's inauguration are literally looting, burning and committing acts of violence. Right now. Open your eyes. 

And as usual the bulk of the Democrat leadership are either trying to justify their criminal behaviour, pretending it doesn't exist, or egging them on through their media & social media pronouncements by making hyperbolic statements against Trump which they know will inflame their low IQ rabble voters into committing more of these acts.
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I get my news second hand, it seems to limit the amount of chicken little, "the sky is falling!" kind of pseudo-news, from both sides of the political spectrum.  (why are there just two sides?)  Right now in Littleton, things are okay where I am at.  How is it in Melbourne?  Do you see swarms of Hillary voters trying to break into the tasty-freeze there?  What does a Hillary voter look like?  Could please describe this ruckus?  Hyperbolic statements seem to be the order of the day.

Hillary was at the inauguration, which sounds like more than what Trump would have promised to do.

It is generally not the educated voters (in either political vein) that riot, its people on the fringe which try to push protest to extremes.  Now liberals tend to think of radicals as just misunderstood, whereas "conservatives" have less tolerance for them.  But that is a different thing altogether.

Trump is the leader of a movement, he is busy reinforcing his base, while alienating others including the media and the intelligence community.  He seems to be betting that he will be so successful, that people will forgive his little idiosyncrasies.  Or at least, he is betting that he will be so successful in some areas, that he won't have to pay attention to the static in other areas.  He is a businessman, he has the attitude that it is a zero sum game, I win/ you loose.  If you can just get it so the "good" guys win, and the "marginals" loose then he will declare it a victory, like he declares everything a victory, for in his perception that is the only reality that counts.  The problem is that if he looses it, he won't loose it, he has his millions to fall back on, it will be us who loose.  Not the man on the ego trip.  He is a legend in his own mind, and yes, he has earned the right to dream big.  But, if he falls, he won't just take himself down, he'll take everyone else with him.
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Do you deny that protesters at the inaugurations smashed up shops, vehicles and have committed acts of arson on the day? If not, can you demonstrate that the same types and severity of mass criminality occurred at Obama's inauguration?

Quote It is generally not the educated voters (in either political vein) that riot, its people on the fringe which try to push protest to extremes.  Now liberals tend to think of radicals as just misunderstood, whereas "conservatives" have less tolerance for them.  But that is a different thing altogether.

That's because the biggest terrorists in the world, after Islamic terrorists, are the radical left. The fact that conservatives are expected to denounce the relatively mild KKK (death count circa 3,000), while Hillary can take the endorsement of the Communist Party (death count circa 100,000,000) without raising an eyebrow - all of that is quite telling.

The left are bad sports, and it is their hysterical rhetoric and hate-filled narratives which fuel incidents like this:

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Originally posted by Constantine XI Constantine XI wrote:

Do you deny that protesters at the inaugurations smashed up shops, vehicles and have committed acts of arson on the day? If not, can you demonstrate that the same types and severity of mass criminality occurred at Obama's inauguration?

Quote It is generally not the educated voters (in either political vein) that riot, its people on the fringe which try to push protest to extremes.  Now liberals tend to think of radicals as just misunderstood, whereas "conservatives" have less tolerance for them.  But that is a different thing altogether.

That's because the biggest terrorists in the world, after Islamic terrorists, are the radical left. The fact that conservatives are expected to denounce the relatively mild KKK (death count circa 3,000), while Hillary can take the endorsement of the Communist Party (death count circa 100,000,000) without raising an eyebrow - all of that is quite telling.

The left are bad sports, and it is their hysterical rhetoric and hate-filled narratives which fuel incidents like this:


Now you've got me confused.
Your earlier posts made me think that you were in fact left wing leaning, not it appears that you are in fact middle or right wing.
You don't have to be left wing to object to the tweets and speeches of DJT>


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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Originally posted by Constantine XI Constantine XI wrote:

Do you deny that protesters at the inaugurations smashed up shops, vehicles and have committed acts of arson on the day? If not, can you demonstrate that the same types and severity of mass criminality occurred at Obama's inauguration?

Quote It is generally not the educated voters (in either political vein) that riot, its people on the fringe which try to push protest to extremes.  Now liberals tend to think of radicals as just misunderstood, whereas "conservatives" have less tolerance for them.  But that is a different thing altogether.

That's because the biggest terrorists in the world, after Islamic terrorists, are the radical left. The fact that conservatives are expected to denounce the relatively mild KKK (death count circa 3,000), while Hillary can take the endorsement of the Communist Party (death count circa 100,000,000) without raising an eyebrow - all of that is quite telling.

The left are bad sports, and it is their hysterical rhetoric and hate-filled narratives which fuel incidents like this:


Now you've got me confused.
Your earlier posts made me think that you were in fact left wing leaning, not it appears that you are in fact middle or right wing.
You don't have to be left wing to object to the tweets and speeches of DJT>



I don't know how you got that impression. I'm alt-right, and I've said so explicitly on several occasions.

Even so, an honest left winger should be able to acknowledge basic historical facts (disparity in murders/terrorism between far right and far left groups). And the fact that the behaviour of Hillary partisans on Inauguration Day is indicative of a very rotten attitude widespread throughout that group.

These people almost never engage in honest self reflection, though. You want proof? The fact that you assumed I could not be left wing to acknowledge the above facts. I think you've demonstrated that, on an instinctive level, you understand their dishonesty and lack of self awareness much as I understand it.
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People who are believed to be anti-Trump have behaved attrocially on Inaugeration Day. But, it's not necessarily just anti-Trump people, as has been shown in riots in England and the USA, many people will join in that type of behaviour as opportunists, to loot and vandalise with little chance of being arrested.

But, as I wrote earlier, I cannot remember such an anti-President protest in my life.


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es_bih wrote,
Quote  Those were the people who had the money to be in DC in the first place, and those are the people who were rioting and inciting violence before and after the various Presidential Balls in DC.

You could be right, but I won't hold my breath.


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I can't agree with you. So I'll end it right here.
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es_bih.

Your vitriol doesn't cut ice with me. I'm entitled to disagree with you if I so choose, and I do.

Your air of superiority over the rest of us also doesn't cut ice, you don't have all of the answers, only opinions which you're entitled to  have. 

The fickle finger of fate, having writ, moves on.(I can't remember who wrote that).

I've said that any coversation between you and me on this topic has ended-SO THERE IT IS!!


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Changing tack a bit now, I read that the President has signed an Executive Order for the building of a wall on the US/Mexican border. He's sure to upset some orange growers who rely on the immigrant labourers who are paid peanuts.

But what about the tunnels, some which have been discovered over the past few years have been high tech operations which travelled for a mile or so, before ascending at near border towns.

America is entitled to have secure borders, and when this is accomplished, the US goverment needs to urgently look at the problem of malfeasance in the registration of voters. 

I read where in some states, if you have a drivers license, you are automatically  registered to vote. What a load of old cobblers. And then there's multiple state registrations, in which the Trump daughter is now embroiled.

Voter registration needs to be performed by the Federal Government, based on birth records and citizenship records. In this day and age, having each state register voters is rediculous.

Perhaps some of El Donaldo's ideas may turn out to be OK.




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This is why you don't want to go anywhere near being associated with the anti Trump crowd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYPu5MNu2B4
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wolfhnd: Don't get me wrong, I'm not so much anti-Trump, as concerned as a citizen of the world as to what he might/could bring down upon our heads. Unfortunately, for we internation viewers, the time when we get the feel of a potential US President, is during the election campaign. What Trump delivered was frightening in it's vitriol and lack of policy.

His only contribution to the televised debates was continual interjection and threats.

I'm just hoping that he's not really like that. (Fat chance?)


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Donald Trump is signing a lot of executive orders, but remember that congress controls the purse strings.

Reportedly, Trump can be quite charming in person, it is in the public spotlight that he gets obnoxious.  
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Just be happy the world has been partially spared of the evil of Clinton and her fellow globalist such as Nazi collaborator George Soros.
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Any sneers that Trump was in it simply for this ego and had no intention of delivering on promises are dead in the water. The new President has energetically struck out to implement his policies without delay. We are just into the second week and I'm impressed with how much he has already got done. The man doesn't mess around.
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Originally posted by Constantine XI Constantine XI wrote:

Any sneers that Trump was in it simply for this ego and had no intention of delivering on promises are dead in the water. The new President has energetically struck out to implement his policies without delay. We are just into the second week and I'm impressed with how much he has already got done. The man doesn't mess around.

Signing Executive Orders is one thing, but seeing them acted upon and producing results is something entirely different.

Trump has some ground to make up in repairing international relations after some of his campaign tweets and anouncements.

He may also need to think again about imposing a 20% tax on Mexican imports-it's a two way street which could harm the US.
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Quote Signing Executive Orders is one thing, but seeing them acted upon and producing results is something entirely different.

This is true enough. Although I would point out that these Executive Orders appear to be more than mere proclamations. Under Obama they tended to be implemented, and so there is precedent for Trump's to likewise be stringently implemented. Also, Trump has made it clear that he intends to punish those who do not comply by cutting Federal funding - which could cripple some of the larger cities who intend to behave defiantly.

Quote Trump has some ground to make up in repairing international relations after some of his campaign tweets and anouncements.

That depends on which nations Trump wishes to work closely with. He's made it a priority to cooperate with Russia in the Middle East - and has been repairing the badly damaged relations with them that he inherited from Obama.
If Trump wishes to challenge Chinese geopolitical or fiscal influence, then poorer relations are the inevitable state of affairs that we should expect.

Quote He may also need to think again about imposing a 20% tax on Mexican imports-it's a two way street which could harm the US.

The free traders certainly think so. I suspect it will cause some minor pain for consumers, but will otherwise prove successful as part of a broader policy of re-industrialisation. We shall see.


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Constantine XI-thanks for your comments, I agree with you.

As arguably the greatest military power on earth, the US can do a lot to ease simmering tensions around the world. Apparently Trump has been asked how he intends to quickly put an end to ISIS. From my perspective, having been involved with the military for nearly 30 years, when I was younger, my view is that if the unnecessary death of more civilians is to be avoided, the only way is to put boots on the ground, as distasteful as that may seem. And not just US troops either, every democratic country in the world should help where possible. But I don't think that's on the cards, yet!

We're still waiting on Trumps plans re ISIS.






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So, Trump is creating more havoc.

From what we're reading and watching in Australian media-
  • Trump has sacked the Acting Attorney General after she directed that there would be no court challenge to at least three courts which said that the Trump Immigration Policy was against the Constitution;
  • Senior members of the military have advised that Trumps tweets about what he will do to China are wrong;
  • Other senior members of his administration are rebelling over policy  statements;
  • Border Control staff implemented his Executive Order within 20minutes of it being signed; and
  • There are calls from both major parties for his impeachment-Nixon was, Clinton should have been is Trump next on the list?


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I think in terms of frogs.  When you heat up the water quickly, the frog jumps out, but when you heat it up slowly the frog stays in and gets boiled.  Toyomotor, I think that you are a little quick to jump out, but there is a valid question of whether or when the water will start to boil.  But it is important to know when to warn people and when to just note that something is happening.  It does not help anyone in the long run to act like the boy who cried wolf.  On the other hand, thinking out loud, bouncing ideas of others, that is useful for both you and also for others.  Don't listen too closely to es_bih, he has all the answers regarding Trump and none of the questions, I think that you and I are a little more on the opposite side of the spectrum, a lot of questions, and fewer answers, but not the same answers as es_bih has.
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I agree with es_bih's counter-points. Why is it a bad thing that a Federal service like ICE be so enthusiastic about Trump's support that they energetically get to work implementing his policies less than half an hour after he announces them? Does toyomotor believe in open borders where every foreigner can come to the US without permission, claim welfare and live off the system? Is that what he wants for the USA?

I find myself having less and less respect for ordinary people who go along with the media's narrative. They squeal about Trump's migration bans like it's the Fourth Reich, and yet have absolutely no feelings whatsoever about countries like Japan, Korea or most Middle Eastern countries having far more strict migration laws and taking far fewer refugees.

Let's be honest with ourselves: the mainstream media is implicitly anti-white. And people who buy into that narrative are, by extension, stooges of the anti-white agenda.
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Barak Obama,the last of the good men.




He was absorbed.

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