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Franciscoan- I didn't say that I supported the claims, only repeating what I've read in the media, including Internet News.

Todays news-Trump, having yesterday agreed to maintain the Australian/US regugee agreement is reported in todays media as now saying that is still considering it.

There are so many mixed messages coming from Trump and his socalled Media Advisor, that it would be no wonder if people became confused.

In my opinion, you American members may be better off waiting to see what happens before praising your new president.

And I've already agreed that the US should have secure borders, and if a wall is what is really needed, so be it.

As for es_bih, what's an es_bih?

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[QUOTE=es_bih]Again. All you need to do is provide some direct answers to your ramblings per my request. So far you haven't. Let me be clear. Emotions are not facts. Just because someone made you feel some way doesn't prove or disprove anything. The left runs the world on feelings and the quest not to hurt anyone's feelings with facts. That's delusion. [/QUOTE

Did you see all the people with President Trump this morning? They are planning a revitalization for the minority communities. For a racist he sure has made a lot friends with prominent black social leaders. That is to say the people who actually want progress not progressive spoon fed pablum.
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Originally posted by es_bih es_bih wrote:

Again. All you need to do is provide some direct answers to your ramblings per my request. So far you haven't. Let me be clear. Emotions are not facts. Just because someone made you feel some way doesn't prove or disprove anything. The left runs the world on feelings and the quest not to hurt anyone's feelings with facts. That's delusion.

Did I not say that I would not discuss this issue with you again?

As to answering your vitriol, just read the most independent newspaper produced in America and you will see what I'm talking about.

Once again I'll state that I'm only reporting what I see in the Australian media, as well as Internet news sites. I have no way of knowing what US sources are genuine, and which are not.


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What about "alternative facts"? are those facts? Or is that some kind of doublespeak?  President Trump is not really a facts man, he goes from his gut.  The problem with Trump using executive orders in the way he did, was that Obama used executive orders in the same way, to get around congress, and the Republican objected to his high handed use of them.  For now, they're not protesting too much because ostensibly they're the same party, but they cannot be happy about his bypass, especially since he both did not prepare the bureaucracy for it, and because there are a host of constitutionality questions his action brings up in the judiciary.  So besides reeking havoc amongst the legislative and judicial branches, the bureaucracy and the fourth estate, what he is doing, and the way he is doing it is highhanded, and authoritarian.  It has the sole benefit of fulfilling a campaign promise, which is a benefit to him and his adoring fans, everything else about it, what he did and how he did it, causes more problems than it solves.
I would expect the bureaucracy to be in general good soldiers, when he says jump, they jump and say "how high."
I do like his selection for the Supreme Court, but then again even a stopped clock is right twice a day.  Trump needs to work through congress, after all he can only get funding through congress, unless he wants to sell missiles to the Iranians.

I do not consider the press to be anti-white, after all there are a lot of white gays, lesbians, transgendered and, of course, women.  Rather, I might consider the press to be anti-minority, after all, the press and academia seems to believe that minority are weak and helpless without their coddling.  While there may be more minority degrees after affirmative action, those degrees tend to be discounted.  All degrees for that matter, tend to be discounted today compared to what they were in the past.  A High School degree is not worth as much, so more people have to get bachelors, more Master's, more Doctorates.  The only one to really benefit is the academic paper mill.  But yes, while liberals are trying to fix racism, the law of unintended consequences complicates things even more.  But to say that the press is anti-white is to imply that they know what they are doing, which they don't.  And not only do they not know, but when they are rudely shown that they double down and try to do more of the same.
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Congress can't seem to begin to deal with the immigration and refugee situation. Maybe executive order as chief diplomat is what's called for. It was messy at the airports but the jihad would not have slowed up had the travel ban not occurred.

The press does engage in the worst racism. Trump is going to work with those serious leaders he met with today. They are sick of what going on in Chicago (4000 over shootings over 700 murders in the last year) while R. Emmanuel (mayor of Chicago) tells Trump he better keep the country safe!

Liberals and Hollywood trying to fix racism, don't forget Hollywood.


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Quote I do not consider the press to be anti-white, after all there are a lot of white gays, lesbians, transgendered and, of course, women. 

At this point I am convinced you are not a Republican. You're pretending.

Quote Of the top 6 news corporations in America, who are they owned and run by. 5 of them by Jews, and the singular standout of Rupert Murdoch had rumours of his mothers Jewish ancestry floating around. Of the 8 major publishing houses in the world, which are all based in New York, how many are Jewish? All 8.

Pull the other one.

Quote  While there may be more minority degrees after affirmative action, those degrees tend to be discounted.  All degrees for that matter, tend to be discounted today compared to what they were in the past. 


Look at you, being the apologist for anti-white racism.

Quote  A High School degree is not worth as much, so more people have to get bachelors, more Master's, more Doctorates.  The only one to really benefit is the academic paper mill. 
 

And their Jewish selected college entrants (over 1/4 of Harvard entrants), who are selected well above their academic performance ratios. As well as the non-white and non-Asian candidates whose scores are bumped up to allow them enrollment. And you support this racist and unfair agenda.

Quote  But yes, while liberals are trying to fix racism...

No, they're not. They are doing their best to exacerbate it.

Quote  the law of unintended consequences complicates things even more. 

The consequences are intended. The only people I've ever heard referring to "unintended consequences" in such a disingenuous manner are Jews. Are you a Jew?

[quote]But to say that the press is anti-white is to imply that they know what they are doing, which they don't.  And not only do they not know, but when they are rudely shown that they double down and try to do more of the same.

You're anti-white, and you know it.


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Originally posted by es_bih es_bih wrote:

Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Originally posted by es_bih es_bih wrote:

Again. All you need to do is provide some direct answers to your ramblings per my request. So far you haven't. Let me be clear. Emotions are not facts. Just because someone made you feel some way doesn't prove or disprove anything. The left runs the world on feelings and the quest not to hurt anyone's feelings with facts. That's delusion.

Did I not say that I would not discuss this issue with you again?

As to answering your vitriol, just read the most independent newspaper produced in America and you will see what I'm talking about.

Once again I'll state that I'm only reporting what I see in the Australian media, as well as Internet news sites. I have no way of knowing what US sources are genuine, and which are not.



Quote So you just confirmed you have no way of knowing if your sources are genuine and you know they spin left, but you choose to believe them because why?

Because it's all I've got. The Australian media is, I believe, in the main, unbiased. It relies on US employees and the US media for information, as happens all around the world. You can only work with what you've got.

Why are your sources better than mine?

I repeat what I read and hear, in this forum, with the hope of obtaining an unbiased reply from someone who has a closer, more detailed source of info than I have. So far, it seems that our US members support Trump, and his behaviour, which according to what we read, it most unPresidential.

Please stop with the sarcastic remarks, and post some unbiased facts, rather than a one eyed perspective.






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The Australian media is far from unbiased. 90% of it is owned by a handful of partisan individuals, and the government run ABC is solidly left wing in the news it presents, SBS even more so.
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As far as being a Republican, I have never voted for a democrat, until this year, I also have never voted for a winning presidential candidate, having voted libertarian instead of H.W and W. Bush.  For other candidates, I almost always vote Republican, except if I feel the candidate has done something especially stupid.  I am generally fiscally conservative, socially I think that it is better to adhere to a fairly conservative path, although individuals should be free to make their own mistakes, if they do so without taking anyone else down.

I am not anti-white, I am anti-idiot.  As far as being Jewish, I have a lot of respect for Judaism, and its educational heritage.  On my good days, I am a Christian, and so I guess that makes me sort of a Jew?  Doesn't it?  A Jewish heretic of a certain kind.
I live in suburbia, which means that everybody here is white culturally, including the blacks and Asians. Many Hispanics are culturally assimilated as well.  And those who are not, should be respected because they are hard workers, working on daily maintenance, lawn care, construction, and cooking our food.  They are not lazy, but socially are where the Italians, Irish and Eastern Europeans were in social status, 100 years ago.  In other words, they are paying their dues.  It would be nice if they learned English faster, and they wouldn't use language as an excuse for "not understanding" sometimes, but they pay a cost for doing that also.  But most everybody I deal with is either white or hispanic, which really is a white that is different than Anglo-Saxon.

So what is this I hear about Trump insulting the Australian Prime Minister, and the Prime Minister hanging up on him?  Trump will give anyone a screw you without even the courtesy of a reach-around.

BTW.  Trump's daughter is Orthodox Jewish.  Her husband is Orthodox Jewish and his family required that she convert, and _study_Talmud after she converted.  I just hope that that doesn't mean that Trump will do something stupid to make Israeli hardliners happy.


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As far as Americans supporting Trump, does he need our support?  He seems to be acting to make his base happy, with little consideration of the whole picture.  People will want to give him a chance, but after some point, they will turn on him, if he doesn't meet their expectations, which are fickle and not necessarily well thought out. 
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I think Obama gave us the drilling_ sans_ reach-around lol._

Well you see Australia has laws, immigration laws that they enforce and Trump is backing out of a deal that Obama made to take these 1200 or so refugees off the Pacific island camps they are stranded on. No country will have them it seems.
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Right he is doing exactly what the people who voted for him want done. It less a need for democrats to support him. They need to lay off the fake news and disinformation campaign for those who get news from fake book. 

Did you hear former Speaker Pelosi's hot mike moment with the muslim police officer "tell em your muslim, tell 'em your muslim" Is this how far democrats will go to try and destroy any positive accomplishments in this administration?

  


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Quote So what is this I hear about Trump insulting the Australian Prime Minister, and the Prime Minister hanging up on him?  Trump will give anyone a screw you without even the courtesy of a reach-around.

Malcolm Turnbull is getting what be deserves for being less than neutral during the election campaign. Good for Trump and America that Trump is reversing a bad deal.

Quote BTW.  Trump's daughter is Orthodox Jewish.  Her husband is Orthodox Jewish and his family required that she convert, and _study_Talmud after she converted.  I just hope that that doesn't mean that Trump will do something stupid to make Israeli hardliners happy.

Somehow I doubt that. He has staffed his administration with far fewer Jewish advisers than the previous two administrations. Are you aware of the statement his office made on Holocaust Remembrance Day? Jews were no longer singled out for special mention, and the ADL kvetched over it.

Something tells me the man understands this peculiar group and is resisting their efforts to influence him.
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Trump's daughter's husband is orthodox Jewish and is an advisor to Trump.
Trump's daughter converted in order to marry him, and she studied Torah
so that it would be accepted by her husband's family, her children are
going to be raised Jewish, you don't have to believe me, but you might
look up her, get his name, look up him.  It shouldn't be very difficult.

ADL?  Anti-defamation League?  I am sure President Trump said something,
that aggravated someone, he has a knack for that.  One can waste a lot of
time worrying about every time he pisses off someone, and how he pisses
them off.  Which might be his intention.  I try not to worry about what
I consider the small stuff.

There are a fair number of Jews that aren't particularly thrilled by Israel,
and also are not particularly fond of the use of the holocaust to justify
its foundation.  Some Orthodox believe that _first_ the messiah should come,
and _then_ he will found the legitimate state of Israel.

Hey, Australia is your country, if you like being screwed by Trump that is your
prerogative.  President Trump is a feudal lord, complete with tower, who likes
dispensing rewards on those he deems his favorites, and sending to the dungeons
all others.  He doesn't have much of a conception of democracy or loyal opposition.
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I know all about his daughter. And his son-in-law. Mr Kushner is apparently fuming at the moment. He thought he would be brought in to keep Trump in line for his tribe's interest. Instead he has discovered that Trump and Bannon are getting most of their work done on Saturday without consulting him, as Mr Kushner is an observant orthodox Jew who does not work the Sabbat. Clever Trump, the man plays 4D chess.

Yeah the ADL, the Jewish propaganda outfit formed 100 years ago to act as the public relations arm for convicted Jewish rapist, pedophile and murderer Leo Frank. The ones who attack and denounce anyone who simply tells the truth which is contrary to Jewish propaganda. They tweeted out that it was so terrible that Trump's Holocaust Day statement acknowledged all victims and didn't single out Jews especially. And then they deleted the tweet because they realised how awful it would make them look.

Playing both sides, or pretending to, is an old evolutionary survival strategy of the Jews. It doesn't change the fact that they control America's media, bleed the USA for many billions annually in financial and military aid for Israel, get away with committing terrorist atrocities against the USA  (think Lavon Affair and USS Liberty), and manipulated the USA into invading all the countries in the Middle East that Israel itself wanted gone but didn't want to have to fight directly. Though they haven't gotten to Iran yet, and Syria is holding on.

Trump didn't screw my country, he's just decided to to what's best for his. Now Turnbull looks silly and will have to smarten up his act and use some ingenuity in deciding where to send these unwanted people.


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Originally posted by Constantine XI Constantine XI wrote:

The Australian media is far from unbiased. 90% of it is owned by a handful of partisan individuals, and the government run ABC is solidly left wing in the news it presents, SBS even more so.

You're definately a "glass half empty" person, aren't you?
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Originally posted by Constantine XI Constantine XI wrote:

The Australian media is far from unbiased. 90% of it is owned by a handful of partisan individuals, and the government run ABC is solidly left wing in the news it presents, SBS even more so.

You're definately a "glass half empty" person, aren't you?

Depends on whether I'm drinking or pouring. Smile

I'm realistic about the state of things.
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Quote "So what is this I hear about Trump insulting the Australian Prime Minister, and the Prime Minister hanging up on him?  Trump will give anyone a screw you without even the courtesy of a reach-around."

Politics, Westminster style, precludes a head of state repeating the contents of telephone conversations, especially where there is an air of conflict.

Turnbull is playing by our rules, whether Trump is playing by US rules, I don't know.

Incidentally, a staffer who tweeted something derogatory about Trump has been suspended. Meanwhile, a Senior Trump aid deliberately, and repeatedly, refers to our PM as Mr. Trunbull

This is not a mistake, it's a deliberate slur to our PM, showing that the Trump administration is intent on showing just how unimportant we are to the USA. That's my opinion anyway.

If that's the way he wants it, OK, take your troops and submarines out of Australia and post them somewhere else!!Angry




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Quote This is not a mistake, it's a deliberate slur to our PM, showing that the Trump administration is intent on showing just how unimportant we are to the USA. That's my opinion anyway.

If that's the way he wants it, OK, take your troops and submarines out of Australia and post them somewhere else!!Angry

I suppose you think we'd fare better under the rule of Chinese communist overlords?
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Constantine XI-The Chinese are always polite in their dealings with us so far. You've probably heard the word inscutable in relation to them.

International diplomacy is the way to prevent conflictsmore often than not. Exchanges between friends is, or should be polite. The Donald has turned this all on it's head, and whether or not you support Malcolm Turnbull, there should be recognition of the fact that Australia has been a good friend and close ally of the USA, whether we should have or not is a different matter.

By making sh*tty comments about his conversation with Turnbull, and then going on-line to tell the whole world is not the way to win friends and influence people.

I just hope that Turnbull has, or obtains, the guts to stand up to Trump.



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Do you trust the Gaurdian? they are saying that Turnbull did have decent talk with Trump, US will take those refugees but Trump wanted see that vetting was done. He wanted know how this Obama/Turnbull November 2016 deal happened when Obama was on his way out?

This could be called deliberate. Obama left a bundle of 'surprises' for Trump. Australia protects itself from illegal immigration, US must do the same.

Trump should be respectful, but the story about him hanging up on Turnbull was a fake news leak.
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That's silly Constantine, there are no "Chinese overlords," that's what they had the cultural revolution for, to get rid of the "overlords."  They're all Chinese "comrades" now.  And if Australia became communist, you would be comrades too.  Remember, "all animals are equal.  Some animals are more equal than others."

Trump has a reputation for being nasty, and it is deserved.  Maybe there is a "nice" side to him too, but if so, he keeps it fairly hidden.  He earned his public reputation by being nasty, and I don't think anyone is obligated to expect different.  It is a nice and Christian thing to look for the silver lining, But just because he drops a bar of soap in the shower, doesn't mean you have to bend over to pick it up.

A big thing about Trump is not (just) that people think he is doing the wrong thing, he is doing it the wrong way, by announcing imperious decrees, which incidentally is what Obama did, and the Republicans objected to it then.  The hard work is getting bills through Congress, Congress controls the purse strings, now maybe he is playing a game of "see, I tried, but big bad congress won't let me 'execute' my campaign promises, it is not my fault."  I can see him doing that, he is an outstanding whiner, (not winner, whiner).  He is like a 5 year old (and has the ego of one too), who you can't strangle, and who won't shut up.  

I am not entirely convinced that "Obama left a bundle of 'surprises' for Trump.  Trump wants to take apart everything Obama ever did (or so it seems to me from his campaign rhetoric).  This is, to put it crudely, a pissing contest between two race horses, "race" horses, haha! just realized that.  But, seriously, one can say one thing, or the other, but what the "reality" is, well it depends on whether or whose propaganda you believe in.  I would suggest that you not believe the hype, whomever's hype it is now, keep a little separated from it, at least a little detached.  


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Originally posted by toyo toyo wrote:

The Chinese are always polite in their dealings with us so far. You've probably heard the word inscutable in relation to them.

Inscrutable people are typically the most dangerous. Better the devil you know.

Originally posted by fran fran wrote:

A big thing about Trump is not (just) that people think he is doing the wrong thing, he is doing it the wrong way, by announcing imperious decrees, which incidentally is what Obama did, and the Republicans objected to it then.  The hard work is getting bills through Congress, Congress controls the purse strings, now maybe he is playing a game of "see, I tried, but big bad congress won't let me 'execute' my campaign promises, it is not my fault."  I can see him doing that, he is an outstanding whiner, (not winner, whiner).  He is like a 5 year old (and has the ego of one too), who you can't strangle, and who won't shut up.  

I like the fact that he is being open and transparent about most things.
But that's only about 'most' things. In terms of things like signalling his son-in-law is the power behind the throne while actually retaining it for himself, I think he is playing a clever and tactful game.

Quote I am not entirely convinced that "Obama left a bundle of 'surprises' for Trump.  Trump wants to take apart everything Obama ever did (or so it seems to me from his campaign rhetoric).  This is, to put it crudely, a pissing contest between two race horses, "race" horses, haha! just realized that.  But, seriously, one can say one thing, or the other, but what the "reality" is, well it depends on whether or whose propaganda you believe in.  I would suggest that you not believe the hype, whomever's hype it is now, keep a little separated from it, at least a little detached.  

I appreciate the pun. I really do. Though the rest of the above was a little trite.
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Constantine XI- IMHO, Whichever way you want to paint it, Trump has started his presidency in the wrong way. He would have been better off to have proceeded cautiously, feeling his way and when he had all the marbles in a row, then start taking action.

His precipitous Executive Orders have put many people offside, and, as has been said, Congress controls the purse strings. Trump knows this and could well be setting Congress to be the black hats if it refuses to fund some of his orders.

Australian media is reporting that 580,000 people have signed a petition for his impeachment. Again, so as to not provoke more of es_bihs vitriol, I've not claimed this to be true or false, merely reporting the reports. I know, half a million people is a mere drop in the ocean in the US, and Lord knows how many of those people are not US citizens anyway.

As I've said previously, I've never seen such an anti-President attack, especially in the very first weeks of a Presidency. At this stage I reckon both Nixon and Bill Clinton would have been more popular at the lowest point of their presidencies than Trump is now.

If es_bih or anyone else wants to have a go at me over this post, please provide some evidence of what you say.


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I don't think impeachment is a serious consideration.  Clinton's impeachment was because he lied under oath, and so was only indirectly connected to where he liked to put his willy.  In other words, (I believe) the technical term is perjury, and he had an angry republican controlled Senate?  House? not quite sure which is the relevant institution.  But the point is, it was a conflict between branches of the government that made his "indiscretions" relevant, and lying about them, in Washington DC it is not the crime that usually trips people up, but the cover up afterward.  But, it is probably a conflict between the branches of government that will trip up Trump, or maybe he'll stage a coup and become Il Presidente for life.  I don't know who I would bet on if it came to a question of Trump or democracy.  I mean I would bet on democracy, but Trump is a survivor.  It is interesting that people like him because he is aggressive, "a killer" or "predator," the people who voted for him don't seem to realize that they are what he would call, if he really was being honest, sheep.  Maybe he is playing the role of shepherd so he can fleece them later on, or worse, turn them into mutton.
But I don't think that it is that planned.  I think that he didn't expect to win, and now he is thinking on his feet, and making it up as he goes along.  Of course, he is the master of the "screw you" and so I expect some people will get burned along the way.  But who knows, it might even work out, to some degree.....
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So when we say Congress we are talking about the level of mind where the Rep & Dem's are one lurching overlord. No doubt the R's will try to trounce Trump at the first possible opportunity and insure a one term presidency.  
It is good advice, to be detached that goes for left wing overlords too. Stop the tantrums and outright lies.
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The republicans will have (some) party loyalty to President Trump, whereas President Trump does not have any loyalty to the Republican party, but rather to the popular movement that he has created (or that created him).  Congress is the legislative branch of government, whereas the Presidency is executive, there should be a little rivalry between them.  By relying so heavily on EOs (executive orders), and not consulting congress nor powers in the executive branch, he is causing a lot of chaos for a lot of people.  But that may be the plan, to create problems and blame them on anyone else.  I wouldn't worry about Trump being betrayed at the first possible opportunity.  He is very talented at throwing others underneath the bus.  He has popular support in some circles, it is not based the party system.
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Quote The republicans will have (some) party loyalty to President Trump, whereas President Trump does not have any loyalty to the Republican party, but rather to the popular movement that he has created (or that created him).

The Republican leaders have some loyalty to President Trump. Rank and file party members and voters have much more. And it is these people that Republican leaders must please to ensure re-election - which means not being too obstructionist towards their own President.

Quote Congress is the legislative branch of government, whereas the Presidency is executive, there should be a little rivalry between them.  By relying so heavily on EOs (executive orders), and not consulting congress nor powers in the executive branch, he is causing a lot of chaos for a lot of people.

It's causing some chaos for some people. Whether that's enough of an incentive for them to become obstructionist at serious risk to their own political future, we shall see. Liberal imposition of EOs certainly didn't seem to hurt Obama too much.

Quote But that may be the plan, to create problems and blame them on anyone else. 

Nah. The plan is: use existing presidential powers to implement the policies I championed while on campaign.

Quote I wouldn't worry about Trump being betrayed at the first possible opportunity.  He is very talented at throwing others underneath the bus.  He has popular support in some circles, it is not based the party system.

Anyone attempting to betray Trump at this point is condemning their career and their party reputation to oblivion. Trump has huge popular support among rank-and-file party members and voters - as evident by the reception he got at last year's RNC.
And that popularity is growing by the week.
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For some he is the new messiah, for others he's the devil, his reputation is growing, but not necessarily good.  Trump's support is based on a popular movement, popular amongst certain people. unpopular amongst others.j  I think those who have been active in Republican party politics have mixed feelings about him, some think he is the new messiah, for other he's the devil.  But of course, being in Melbourne you might know something about Republican politics that I don't.....

Trump's administration is fringe, for republicans.  The loyalty of political republicans is based on whether it is advantageous for them.  Trump likes to punish those who cross him, which means that there is as much loyalty there as is bought and paid for.  If politicians can skip out, they will.  Holding hostages is different from loyalty.
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Quote For some he is the new messiah, for others he's the devil, his reputation is growing, but not necessarily good.  Trump's support is based on a popular movement, popular amongst certain people. unpopular amongst others.j  I think those who have been active in Republican party politics have mixed feelings about him, some think he is the new messiah, for other he's the devil.  But of course, being in Melbourne you might know something about Republican politics that I don't.....

I suspect I do. Amazing how you manage to ignore/miss key details when you're closer to the action Wink
Don't feel bad, my insight allowed me to predict the correct course of events when so many others got it so wrong. You're not alone. Cool

Quote Trump's administration is fringe, for republicans. 

It represents the future of the party at the expense of establishment Neo-Cons. It's mainstream popular politics, rather than the stuffy, politically correct shambling of a cabal who agree with the Democrats on every single major policy issue.

Quote The loyalty of political republicans is based on whether it is advantageous for them.  Trump likes to punish those who cross him, which means that there is as much loyalty there as is bought and paid for.  If politicians can skip out, they will.  Holding hostages is different from loyalty.

Too bad if you're an obstructionist Neo-Con. Either get with the program or find yourself out on your rear.
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