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Originally posted by Birddog Birddog wrote:

What's with the Yosamity Sam and "Read em and weep?" then if you were not praising the high US medal count? What are we reading and weeping about?

What is evidently an introverted misguided appraisal of what the Olympics is about for some people.
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Originally posted by Buckskins Buckskins wrote:

The population of any given country is immaterial. Individual countries don't win a darn thing. The teams and individual athletes do. What about the horses? Gold medals for them also? The total medal count means nothing and is sorely lacking in the Olympic spirit. 

What is relevant are things like how well the women of the world did overall. Athletes accomplishing their goals despite pain and injury. Athletes applauding the winner of an event even although they were participants and did not place. The friendships that developed among athletes and supporters from different countries.


I'm in complete agreement with this sentiment. I was sad to see the official homepage having a medal count table.


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I kind of enjoyed the closing ceremony, although it didn't feel the least "olympian". My only complaint is that it wasn't over when the fat lady sang, however lame it might have been.


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Well then I apologies. I am a deeply flawed person for praising the performance of athletes from small counties that did themselves and there nations proud at the 2012 Olympic games. It is obvious that I have missed the spirit of the thing. I weep with you for that is obviously a introverted and misguided appraisal of what the Oylmpics are about.
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Spare us the failed sarcasm. The medal counting and national pride is at least closer the ancient Greek sentiment regarding what's more important betewen participation and winning though.
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Originally posted by Buckskins Buckskins wrote:

Originally posted by Birddog Birddog wrote:

What's with the Yosamity Sam and "Read em and weep?" then if you were not praising the high US medal count? What are we reading and weeping about?

What is evidently an introverted misguided appraisal of what the Olympics is about for some people.


That is quite a noble and articulately expressed sentiment Buckskins. I commend you for capturing the true spirit of the event. Thumbs Up

Unfortunately for myself, my lackluster attempt at lighthearted wit with a hint of sarcasm aimed at, as you say, the misguided introverts out there, turned out in coming across as a introverted misguided attempt in appraising in itself. D'oh!

Sometimes, trying to be comedic about everything life isn't without the righteous disgust of having vegetables hurled at a comedian.

In this instance, it was a swing and a miss Embarrassed Please hurl more grapes and less apples & cabbage, please. Ouch


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Arguably the spirit of the Olympics was breached when they started giving out medals, though it became worse when they started having medal ceremonies on podiums (1932?).

Ever since 1896 however the whole thing is strictly an international competition, between teams representing countries, with national flags flying and national anthems playing all over the place. That's what the Games actually are, no matter what anyone thinks they should be.

If they were anything else, where would the money come from?

Incidentally I don't understand Cwyr's comment about cyclists though I get the one about Somali immigrants.   
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Originally posted by Anton Anton wrote:

Originally posted by Al Jassas Al Jassas wrote:

The most interesting thing in this (and previous Olympics) is that ethnic minorities within their own country dominate the medal table. I was looking at the Russian table and nearly half the medal winners were minorities from the Caucasus especially.
 


You probably looked at early stages when most of medalists were wrestlers and weightlifters. Now the table looks very politically correct -- around 70-80 percent are ethnic Russians ;)


Look at how many British and American medal winners are "ethnic minorities".
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Actually the medal count says a lot more than that.  It says a lot about the facilities available in the country and how much national emphasis there is on sport.   Why do some nationalities dominate some sports?  the British success hgas led to a pledge to maintain current funding for UK sports until the next olympics, an extension of 2 years.  without that funding the success would be nothing like what it was.
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Quote Incidentally I don't understand Cwyr's comment about cyclists though I get the one about Somali immigrants.


Ever tried riding a bike in the UK?

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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

Originally posted by Anton Anton wrote:

Originally posted by Al Jassas Al Jassas wrote:

The most interesting thing in this (and previous Olympics) is that ethnic minorities within their own country dominate the medal table. I was looking at the Russian table and nearly half the medal winners were minorities from the Caucasus especially.
 


You probably looked at early stages when most of medalists were wrestlers and weightlifters. Now the table looks very politically correct -- around 70-80 percent are ethnic Russians ;)


Look at how many British and American medal winners are "ethnic minorities".


Its even easier in countries with smaller medal counts. You can claim for example, that Dutch swimming is dominated by half-Javanese women.

Frankly though, the more successful countries as a general rule are better at scouting and talent from a wider range of backgrounds, whatever the sport.
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Unfortunately for myself, my lackluster attempt at lighthearted wit with a hint of sarcasm aimed at, as you say, the misguided introverts out there, turned out in coming across as a introverted misguided attempt in appraising in itself. D'oh!

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Neither grape, apple, nor cabbage was, or will ever be, hurled at you sir. My post was in answer to ole Birddog. I consider him a fruit and vegetable free fire zone. Wink  Just kidding Birdy. LOL
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Originally posted by Cywr Cywr wrote:

Quote Incidentally I don't understand Cwyr's comment about cyclists though I get the one about Somali immigrants.


Ever tried riding a bike in the UK?


Not in the last 60 years or so Smile
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Originally posted by Birddog Birddog wrote:

I agree. Sperate Scotish, Welsh and English teams. And Australian should compete as it's original colonies. We have only been one nation 112 years.

Yet somehow we managed to compete in the 1896 games without being a nation.

Buckskins has a very noble sentiment about the Games that I can only applaud. I'm honest enough to admit I don't share it though.
Ordinarily I don't care for elite sport, but I'm happy to fund it though my tax dollars for the sole benefit of victory and national pride. As Gruen said, Australia isn't so much a sports mad nation as a winning mad nation.

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Geeezzz - most of these athletes are professionels and earn more money from their sport than most executives in business... 
The times where the noble sentiments was anything worth is long gone and the olympic spirit is even more elusive than the spirit of the white lady on Tower...
 
Still, it is great that young people from all over the world can meet, compete and make bonds of friendship across the borders diregarding how good they achieve.
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
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Originally posted by Northman Northman wrote:

Geeezzz - most of these athletes are professionels and earn more money from their sport than most executives in business... 
The times where the noble sentiments was anything worth is long gone and the olympic spirit is even more elusive than the spirit of the white lady on Tower...
 
Still, it is great that young people from all over the world can meet, compete and make bonds of friendship across the borders diregarding how good they achieve.
 
 
 


Most?  Speaking for Uk athletes.  I would say a minority. 
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Yeah. Only a handful of famous athletes get any money at all here.
The vast majority live on the edge of poverty subsidised by the government.
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Well, quite a few will get some cash from ads and promos, and such. Won't make them rich though.
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It's more a question for most athletes of where they can get sponsorship, government grants, or sinecure jobs (or even real ones) that enable them to spend their time training and competing. In the west, especially the US, this used to be largely due to college scholarships; behind the old iron curtain (and to some extent elsewhere) it largely meant belonging to the armed forces or the police. 

Otherwise private family wealth was the major factor in enabling people to keep the 'amateur' status that used to be required. 
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Poor Jim Thorpe, if only he was alive now.
 
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Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:



Originally posted by Birddog Birddog wrote:

I agree. Sperate Scotish, Welsh and English teams. And Australian should compete as it's original colonies. We have only been one nation 112 years.

Yet somehow we managed to compete in the 1896 games without being a nation.

Buckskins has a very noble sentiment about the Games that I can only applaud. I'm honest enough to admit I don't share it though.
Ordinarily I don't care for elite sport, but I'm happy to fund it though my tax dollars for the sole benefit of victory and national pride. As Gruen said, Australia isn't so much a sports mad nation as a winning mad nation.



I must have a strait face.

I do not seriously believe that Australia should compete as separate former colonies, just like I think it would be silly for the Unitied Kingdom of Great Britian to compete as separate counties at the Olympics. Their has been a Great Britian longer than a United States. Sure the UK medal count would be broken into small numbers if you separated them into England, Wales, and Scotland. Australia and The USA's medal counts would be broken into smaller numbers if athletes from these younger counties competed in the original colonies. The existence of the United Kingdom is a polictal and historical fact and must be lived with and put up with at the Olympic games.
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Like Graham said - the status of 'amateur' used to be required - it is not anymore.
 
Earlier the participants had a normal 9-5 job and the sport was a hobby in their free time...
I don't think you can find many at the olympics like that today - hence 'the most'.
 
 
   
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