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    Posted: 20 Mar 2017 at 07:10

Speaking in human terms, there have been conspiracies since the year dot, or even a few years earlier.

A conspiracy takes place when two or more people plot to do an act or acts to the detriment of another or others.

We can thank William Shakespeare for a lasting quote attributed to Julius Ceasar by Shakespeare, upon his unexpected murder by a friend. “Et tu Brutus”

The Gunpowder Plot and the Boston Tea Party are two conspiracies which resulted in major political upheaval in the respective countries. But of course there have been man, many more.

Some alleged conspiracies which have gained a certain amount of notoriety include the Illuminati.

Quote The Order of the Illuminati was an Enlightenment-age secret society founded by university professor Adam Weishaupt on 1 May 1776, in Upper Bavaria, Germany. It arose from the ranks of Masonic Lodges. Another conspiracy faction, hosted by the Roman Catholic Church, is the Priory of Sion, which, allegedly, carries out CIA like operations on behalf of the church. Both of these gained notoriety in the Dan Brown book The DaVinci Code.

A US based group, allegedly involved the formation of a New World Order, and is the Council on Foreign Relations which has been the subject of debates over sovereignty as well as the subject of numerous conspiracy theories. This is primarily due to the number of high-ranking government officials (along with world business leaders and prominent media figures) in its membership and the large number of aspects of American foreign policy that its members have been involved with. Echoing the most common accusation, the paleoconservative John Birch Society claims that the CFR is "Guilty of conspiring with others to build a one world government. Other figures like the conservative author and faith-based political theorist W. Cleon Skousen opposed the CFR vociferously.(From Wikipedia).

But the group gaining the most publicity in modern times, despite their secretive meetings, are the Bilderberg Group.

Quote About two thirds of the participants come from Europe and the rest from North America; one third from politics and government and the rest from other fields. Historically, attendee lists have been weighted toward bankers, politicians, directors of large businesses and board members from large publicly traded corporations, including IBMXeroxRoyal Dutch ShellNokia and Daimler. Heads of state, including former King Juan Carlos I of Spain and former Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands, have attended meetings, a source connected to the group told The Daily Telegraph in 2013 that other individuals, whose names are not publicly issued, sometimes turn up "just for the day" at the group's meetings. 

Partly because of its working methods to ensure strict privacy, the Bilderberg Group has been criticised for its lack of transparency and accountability. The undisclosed nature of the proceedings have given rise to several conspiracy theories. This outlook has been popular on both extremes of the political spectrum, even if they disagree about the exact nature of the group's intentions. Some on the left accuse the Bilderberg group of conspiring to impose capitalist domination while some on the right have accused the group of conspiring to impose a world government and planned economy.(From Wikipedia) 

The Bilderbergs, according to popular belief, are either part of or planning a worldwide New World Order. This would mean a centralised international government effectively ruling the entire world.

The fact that so many of the Bilderbergs hold positions of extreme financial, military and/or political power gives the so-called conspiracy an edge of realism.

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Sorry, I don't go in for Science Fiction of that nature, aliens, Yes-Monsters, NO.

Is there anyone else who would like to post some factual information on past  conspiracies, and their outcome?


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Most conspiracies are given some form of credence by con-artists seeking to profit from ideas. Public perception of current affairs is often skewed according to various factors. I remember an Iranian immigrant who was in my engineering class at College in the 80's. He was convinced, completely and absolutely, that the CIA was responsible for every bad thing that happened in the world. I told him that couldn't be the case. There's only so many CIA agents, only so much money to fund their activities, and there's plenty of other agencies at work, never mind the unexpected twists of fate. He simply couldn't understand why I was saying that.

That sort of thing isn't unusual. A forklift driver I spoke to a couple of years ago, as british as you can get, had exactly the same beliefs. He could not accept that 9/11 was the work of a slightly amateurish terrorist team. No, he insisted it was CIA black ops, without any inkling of commonsense or understanding of the politics, science, and forensics of the event. Another british warehouseman the same day insisted that the Falkland War was about getting bases in Chile. Pardon me? Well, a serviceman had told him that and it was from the horses mouth as far as he was concerned, never mind the complete implausibility of that particular leg-pull and all the evidence that it was a military expedition to oust Argentine occupation of a British dependency.

There was a guy I used to work with who was really into conspiracy theory. He dismissed the media as propaganda and claimed that only the internet could be relied upon for free information, which to me is a bizarre and unsustainable view given how much rubbish and fantasy is bandied about. For instance he claimed that a video file can always be returned to the original recorded version. I tried to point out that a video file does not save any discarded or edited data and thus unless you had the original file or deleted/modified parts of it, it was not possible to do that. He found it impossible to believe me because his suspicions were more cogent to him than technical realities.

The reality isn't enough. Some people want to believe they know more than what the media tell us or perhaps more importantly, that they know more than you or I. Now I have to accept that even the western free press isn't entirely honest and objective all of the time, but then, neither are their sources. In some cases, information is withheld to prevent undesirable circumstances, or indeed discoveries that the authorities don't want scrutinised. That's normal security procedure for any country but it doesn't help convince people that the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth is being related.

In the search of this kind of 'knowledge advantage' these people will believe anything if it provides an alternative explanation that puts their favourite bugbear into question. The upshot is that if you believe a certain agency is a bad thing, you tend to believe bad things about it. The islamic activists already know this - it's why they press the propaganda button at every opportunity. Hitler had asserted that the bigger the lie, the more people will believe it was true. It must be said he ought to know. However that strategy can backfire. The West never did find evidence of Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq.
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