| FORUM | ARCHIVE |                    | TOTAL QUIZ RESULT |


  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Which is the oldest religion in the world?
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login


Welcome stranger, click here to read about some of the great benefits of registering for a free account with us and joining us in our global online community.


Which is the oldest religion in the world?

 Post Reply Post Reply
Author
ghazanfar.arif View Drop Down
Immortal Guard
Immortal Guard
Avatar

Joined: 26 Jun 2018
Location: Unknown
Status: Offline
Points: 6
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ghazanfar.arif Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Which is the oldest religion in the world?
    Posted: 28 Jun 2018 at 16:49

I think Hinduism is often considered the oldest existing religion still practiced today. While this may be true, it’s important to note that Hinduism does not have any particular founder or a single text, but instead combines several ancient traditions and beliefs. The oldest scripture of Hinduism is the Rig Veda, which is believed to be about 3,500 years old. However, archaeologists have found bull and cow motifs, which are sacred animals in Hinduism, dating back to around 7,000 BCE during a time when an ancient civilization inhabited the area near the Indus River. Today, Hinduism is practiced by millions of people around the world, but primarily in India and the surrounding countries.
"I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend".
Back to Top
Sponsored Links


Back to Top
franciscosan View Drop Down
Tsar
Tsar


Joined: 09 Feb 2015
Location: Littleton CO
Status: Offline
Points: 3244
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote franciscosan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Jun 2018 at 22:30
Strands of Hinduism are very old, as are strands of Zoroastrianism, and Judaism.  But, of course, modern Hinduism is not the same as Vedic Hinduism, nor is the ancient Hebrew religion, modern rabbinical Judaism.  Undoubtably, these modern traditions appropriate ancient traditions, Noah appears as Utnapishtim in Babylon, and probably earlier in Sumerian tradition.

I think that humans have _always_ had some kind of religious belief or ritual.  So probably it goes back to early homo sapiens, or they say that Neanderthals took care in burying their dead, and painted with red ochre, so religion in some form may have gone back that far.  But, if so we know next to nothing about it.

Egyptian religion is an extinct one, but one that has much textual and artistic evidence, so we can figure out much about it.  I doubt that it is any earlier than Hindu, but Hinduism has also been rewriting itself for thousands of years.  There are advantages to each one.

There is a Great Courses DVD/CD/download course called Sacred Texts.  It starts out with oldest, and goes from there through the major religions, also treating minor ones like Zoroaster, Sikh, Ba'hai, Shinto, Mayan, Egyptian (and Muslim, Christianity, Buddhism, etc).
Back to Top
ghazanfar.arif View Drop Down
Immortal Guard
Immortal Guard
Avatar

Joined: 26 Jun 2018
Location: Unknown
Status: Offline
Points: 6
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ghazanfar.arif Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jun 2018 at 08:20
Yes it is true about Neanderthals that believe in some kind of religious practices .

How fascinating it is to take seriously the idea that the deep roots of human meaning-making ritual, and even of religiosity, may go as far back as the time of the Neanderthals.
"I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend".
Back to Top
toyomotor View Drop Down
Moderator
Moderator
Avatar

Joined: 15 Feb 2014
Location: Tasmania, AUST.
Status: Offline
Points: 4924
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote toyomotor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jun 2018 at 02:12
I agree. Scientists have unearthed signs of ancient religious practices dated back to the Stone Age.

There is a difference between "the oldest"  and "the oldest remaining" religions.
It's not that I was born in Ireland,
It's the Ireland that was born in me.
Back to Top
franciscosan View Drop Down
Tsar
Tsar


Joined: 09 Feb 2015
Location: Littleton CO
Status: Offline
Points: 3244
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote franciscosan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jun 2018 at 22:46
"Give me that old time religion! 
If it was good enough for Kali,
although embracing her's a folly,
then by golly,
it is good enough for me.

Give me that old time religion,
If it was good enough for Odin,
although the croaking was forebodden,
until the giants rode in,
Why it is good enough for me!
Back to Top
zorro15 View Drop Down
Janissary
Janissary


Joined: 07 Sep 2014
Location: South East Asia
Status: Offline
Points: 16
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zorro15 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Sep 2018 at 03:45
Hinduism.

'no matter how one justifies, postulates or deflects its background or history..,no other religion comes close.., i.e.  if its organize religion...''

Smile


Edited by zorro15 - 07 Sep 2018 at 03:06
Back to Top
toyomotor View Drop Down
Moderator
Moderator
Avatar

Joined: 15 Feb 2014
Location: Tasmania, AUST.
Status: Offline
Points: 4924
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote toyomotor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Sep 2018 at 09:22
Originally posted by zorro15 zorro15 wrote:

Hinduism.

'no matter how one justifies, postulates or deflects its background or history..,no other religion comes close.., i.e.  if its organize religion...'

Smile

What's your basis for this line of thought?
It's not that I was born in Ireland,
It's the Ireland that was born in me.
Back to Top
zorro15 View Drop Down
Janissary
Janissary


Joined: 07 Sep 2014
Location: South East Asia
Status: Offline
Points: 16
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zorro15 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Sep 2018 at 15:42
are there any other religion, even abrahamic, that is older than hinduism.?

Traditional mainstream history records its date bet 6-8 thousand years BC.

Smile




Back to Top
toyomotor View Drop Down
Moderator
Moderator
Avatar

Joined: 15 Feb 2014
Location: Tasmania, AUST.
Status: Offline
Points: 4924
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote toyomotor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Sep 2018 at 03:47
What's the source of your claims that Hinduism is between 6000 and 8000 years old?

I'd be interested in the age of Taoism, Shintoism and some of the other non Christian religions.


Edited by toyomotor - 05 Sep 2018 at 04:52
It's not that I was born in Ireland,
It's the Ireland that was born in me.
Back to Top
zorro15 View Drop Down
Janissary
Janissary


Joined: 07 Sep 2014
Location: South East Asia
Status: Offline
Points: 16
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zorro15 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Sep 2018 at 02:50
Encyclopaedias, historical sites and links, history books, world religion sites, etc..

What is your take ?

IF you have other thoughts, its your turn to show us what is/are those.

Smile

btw - shintoism, taoism, confucianism, zoroastrianism ..., they/it prospered in the/between 7-8th centuries BC..Wink


Edited by zorro15 - 06 Sep 2018 at 02:52
Back to Top
franciscosan View Drop Down
Tsar
Tsar


Joined: 09 Feb 2015
Location: Littleton CO
Status: Offline
Points: 3244
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote franciscosan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Sep 2018 at 21:46
The Great Courses has a DVD, CD series of lectures called "Sacred Texts...." which gives you a first hand idea of the literary sources for religions, starting with Hinduism, and going from there.  Not just major religions but lesser known ones too like Zoroastrianism, or Jainism, Manichaeanism, etc.  
Thing is, though, their sacred texts in general do not resemble histories, except for Judaism, and to a lesser extent those coming after Judaism, (in response to Judaism).  So listening or watching such a series is, (to me), interesting, but not necessarily that interesting in a historical context.  The course starts with the oldest and goes to the more recent, Bahai, I seem to remember Latter day saints, but it might be mentioned that they were cut off.  Maybe Falun gong, Moonies are out. Also some extinct sacred texts, the Mayan Popul Vuh,  Egyptian Book of the Dead.  Major religions get several lectures, minor ones, one lecture but it still neat to see them represented at all.

Some people conclude that if (since) monotheistic religions don't play nice with others, then why would anybody want to be a member of those monotheistic religions.  But the converse can be true, if monotheistic religions don't play nice, then it makes sense to be monotheistic, because you don't really have to worry about polytheists or pagans or whatnot.  But of course, that is not true, the Romans considered Christians to be atheists because they didn't worship the gods, including the Emperor.

As far as I understand, Japanese Shintoism is a fairly modern manifestation of a kind of Japanese animism, which was associated with the Emperor, after the Meiji Restoration (1868), when the Emperor was promoted as a personification of the Japanese nation, above all the other Daimyos (Baronies), in imitation of European monarchies.  The above lecture series says that shintoism is kind of an exception to the rule, being a religion that doesn't really have much of sacred texts.



Back to Top
Akolouthos View Drop Down
Moderator
Moderator
Avatar

Joined: 24 Feb 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 3545
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Akolouthos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Sep 2018 at 02:14
As a Christian? Christianity, following the arguments of Eusebius and Justin Martyr.

As a historian? I'm largely with franciscosan on this. The oldest religion in the world dates to the time the first sufficiently sentient primate picked up a rock and wondered where it came from.

-Akolouthos
Back to Top
toyomotor View Drop Down
Moderator
Moderator
Avatar

Joined: 15 Feb 2014
Location: Tasmania, AUST.
Status: Offline
Points: 4924
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote toyomotor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Sep 2018 at 12:18
Originally posted by Akolouthos Akolouthos wrote:

As a Christian? Christianity, following the arguments of Eusebius and Justin Martyr.

As a historian? I'm largely with franciscosan on this. The oldest religion in the world dates to the time the first sufficiently sentient primate picked up a rock and wondered where it came from.

-Akolouthos

Or looked at the sky and proclaimed the sun, moon and stars as unexplicable gods with power over all beneath them.
I agree. It's my view that we will never know the earliest religions as many communities left no written records, or stories passed down to modernity.

I would not take issue with the notion that the oldest of the religions still in existence is in fact Hinduism
It's not that I was born in Ireland,
It's the Ireland that was born in me.
Back to Top
caldrail View Drop Down
Chieftain
Chieftain
Avatar

Joined: 21 Jan 2014
Location: Rushey Platt
Status: Offline
Points: 1071
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote caldrail Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Sep 2018 at 12:27
The oldest religion or the oldest surviving religion? We have evidence of the Neolithic/early bronze age ritual landscape in Britain and western coastal Europe, and an even earlier animist belief system that might date as far back as forty thousand years in Asia Minor and North Africa. I don't know how old native Australasian beliefs are but they have to have very ancient origins.
http://www.unrv.com/forum/blog/31-caldrails-blog/
Back to Top
toyomotor View Drop Down
Moderator
Moderator
Avatar

Joined: 15 Feb 2014
Location: Tasmania, AUST.
Status: Offline
Points: 4924
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote toyomotor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Sep 2018 at 12:42
Originally posted by caldrail caldrail wrote:

The oldest religion or the oldest surviving religion? We have evidence of the Neolithic/early bronze age ritual landscape in Britain and western coastal Europe, and an even earlier animist belief system that might date as far back as forty thousand years in Asia Minor and North Africa. I don't know how old native Australasian beliefs are but they have to have very ancient origins.

Quote The Dreamtime is a commonly used term for describing important features of Aboriginal spiritual beliefs and existence. It is not generally well understood by non-indigenous people.

Aboriginals believe that the Dreamtime was way back, at the very beginning. The land and the people were created by the Spirits. They made the rivers, streams, water holes the land, hills, rocks, plants and animals. It is believed that the Spirits gave them their hunting tools and each tribe its land, their totems and their Dreaming.

The Aboriginals believed that the entire world was made by their Ancestors way back in the very beginning of time, the Dreamtime. The Ancestors made everything – The Aboriginal people, the rocks, mountains, rivers, creeks, waterholes, plants and animals.


aboriginal dreamtime art
aboriginal dreamtime art
aboriginal dreamtime art

The Ancestors made particular sites to show the Aboriginal people which places were to be sacred. The Aboriginals performed ritual ceremonies and customary songs near the sacred sites to please the Ancestral spirits and to keep them alive.

Distinct tribes had different philosophies and beliefs about the Ancestors who made the world. Some believed that the Ancestors were animal-spirits.

Others in parts of Arnhem Land in the Northern Territory believed the Ancestors were huge snakes. In other places the spirit who created the world was believed to be the Wanadjina.

Dreamtime is the foundation of Aboriginal religion and culture. It dates back some 65,000 years. It is the story of events that have happened, how the universe came to be, how human beings were created and how their Creator intended for humans to function within the world as they knew it.

Aboriginal people understood the Dreamtime as a beginning that never ended. They held the belief that the Dreamtime is a period on a continuum of past, present and future.


[quote]

The Dreamtime is a commonly used term for describing important features of

Aboriginal spiritual beliefs and existence. It is not generally well understood by

 non-indigenous people.

Aboriginals believe that the Dreamtime was way back, at the very beginning.

The land and the people were created by the Spirits. They made the rivers,

 streams, water holes the land, hills, rocks, plants and animals. It is believed

that the Spirits gave them their hunting tools and each tribe its land, their totems

and their Dreaming.

The Aboriginals believed that the entire world was made by their Ancestors

 way back in the very beginning of time, the Dreamtime. The Ancestors made

everything –  The Aboriginal people, the rocks, mountains, rivers, creeks, waterholes,

 plants and animals.

 

The Ancestors made particular sites to show the Aboriginal people which places

were to be sacred. The Aboriginals performed ritual ceremonies and customary

songs near the sacred sites to please the Ancestral spirits and to keep them alive.

Distinct tribes had different philosophies and beliefs about the Ancestors who made

the world. Some believed that the Ancestors were animal-spirits.

Others in parts of Arnhem Land in the Northern Territory believed the Ancestors

were huge snakes. In other places the spirit who created the world was believed to be

the Wanadjina.

Dreamtime is the foundation of Aboriginal religion and culture. It dates back some

65,000 years. It is the story of events that have happened, how the universe came

 to be, how human beings were created and how their Creator intended for humans

to function within the world as they knew it.

Aboriginal people understood the Dreamtime as a beginning that never ended.

They held the belief that the Dreamtime is a period on a continuum of past, present and future.

Extract from: https://www.aboriginal-art-australia.com/aboriginal-art-library/aboriginal-dreamtime/[/quote]

 

Many Aboriginals follow their ancients beliefs, as their “history” is still passed down as word of mouth.



Edited by toyomotor - 19 Sep 2018 at 13:12
It's not that I was born in Ireland,
It's the Ireland that was born in me.
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 11.10
Copyright ©2001-2017 Web Wiz Ltd.

This page was generated in 0.109 seconds.