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    Posted: 24 Jan 2017 at 05:38
Since the regime refuse to stop forcing their poison fluoridated (etc) water on me (9 years begging/asking), i am continuing to expose the "Pope" [Roman Emperor] as the seeming ruler of the new world order. (Though i know that my only hope is God's/Yhwh's mercy (with my repentance) not own efforts.)

This is only/just a quick first, very rough compilation of just some evidences that i have noticed in the last few years. (Some may possibly not be connected since English and European has alot of Roman words and things in it, but some are pretty convicting.) We will try to update and improve these lists if/when we are able (if they don't cut me off or destroy me) (unless they stop poisoining me).


UK:
Britain part of Roman empire.
664 synod Whitby (Roman christianity triumphs over Celtic church)
717 Nechtan mac Der-Ilei adopts Roman usages.
[854 pope Joan (English)]
"Rob Peter to pay Paul".
Cardinal Wolsey [one world order]; Thomas More 'Utopia'.
Italian ww2 pows Notts UK affairs 1946.
metric (UK) [1960].
'Vindex' of Order of 9 Angles is a Roman word.
"2010: Pope Benedict XVI received by Queen Elizabeth at Holyrood Palace at the start of his state visit to Great Britain."
2010 [Rufford Abbey hosted outlaws, kts & combat at weekend as part of RH month.]
2010 Pope Benedict addresses both houses UK Parliament
2014 "pope" Francis gives orb with cross on it to Queen Eliz which bbc said symbolises "christian" royal dominion over the globe/world.
2015 Graham says to me he is on "Hiatus".
Bishop Sean Manchester "double agency".
2016 my friends website host changes to Go Daddy [daddy ~ papa?]
Damo visits Italy.
Windsors/Hannovers are Welfs (popish).

faithandheritage.com have article "Jack Chick: In Memoriam" (note the latin memoriam not english memory?) Comment claims [in a way that looks suspicious to me] that Chick's anti-RC was "strong delusion" in difference to having "no guile".

France:
1951/2 treaty Paris.
1957 W Germany, France & Italy form EEC;
Is a Roman Catholic country.
Marie (le Pen) is a Catholic name (Mary)?

Belgium:

Smurfs/Schtromps (stormtroopers?) : 'Papa Smurf' / 'Le Grand Pere' (grandfather), father, paternal Nature, central father like figure, fatherly nature, "the leader of all smurfs", aged 542/553, with Phrygian cap? "bushy white beard" [like Peter (like Nero)].  angry with smurfs for being disobedient. vs chaos. "Smurfs are all one family with one father".
["Romeo & Smurfette".].

EU/Europe/EEC:
(1949 "10 powers form Council of Europe")
1951/2 treaty Paris.
1957 W Germany, France & Italy form EEC;
1957/8 Treaty of Rome;
"Revival of the Roman Empire" Maastricht 1992.
Lisbon treaty 2007/9.
Mainland Europe bans water fluoridation [now after the Vatican has secured Europe].
"Gayropa".

Spain/Portugal:
Opus Dei 1928/1950.
Lisbon treaty 2007/9.

Switzerland:
Red Cross.
Gnomes.
[Swiss guard?]

Italy & Vatican:
Saturn is Stur in Aramaic with numeral value 666.
Latinus has numerals value 666.
Growth of Rome by encouraging criminals/outlaws/fugitives to seek refuge
509 bc Gaius Papirius 1st known pontifex maximus ~ whence Papa/Pope.
[2nd cent bc Cicero calls Rome a city formed from confluence of nations.]
Julius/Dionaeus Caesar ~ "John the Baptist"
comet/star of Julius Caesar 44 bc
pubic portent (birth Augustus) 63 bc?
Augustus Caesar 'divi filius' ~ "Jesus Christ"
Lucan says Rome not peopled by its own citizens but by scourings of world.
Nero(n Caesar) [value 616/666] d 68 ~ "pope Peter/Cephas" "d 67"
Vespasian (Flavian "yellow coloured hair") ~ "pope Linus" ("flax coloured hair").
comet/star of vespasian [66 ad].
Domitian ~ "pope Clement"
Trajan "thinking aloud of Alexander at Charax" ~ "pope Alexander"
Hadrian; complaint indigenous natives that capital had attracted vices of universe & manners of opposite nations.
Antoninus Pius ~ "pope Pius (1)" (both coincide 140-155).
Severus ~ "Pope Zephyrinus".
Caracalla ~ "Pope Callixtus".
Heliogabalus ~ "Antipope" Hippolytus.
Constantine ~ "pope Silvester".
313 Constantine, edict Milan (tolerance of Christianity)
[Constantius marvels at haste with which all human being of world flock to Rome.]
[c410] Telemachus (Rome) [~ "Antipas" ("Pergamos")?]
(Bible says Pergamos [which seems to match Rome]  is Satan's seat/throne.)
590/597 Gallinicus ~ "pope Gregory"?
726 East/Leo 3 vs West/Gregory 2
751 Lombards take Ravenna the last Byztanine hold in Italy
754 Pepin (Franks) gives Rome to "pope/papacy"
[854 Pope Joan?]
12th cent copy of Peutinger map with Emperor on throne at Rome.
Aqua Tofana.
Protocols of Zion 1901/2/3 based on Macchiaveli
1920s Prof Tenney Frank's 'Economic History of Rome'
1922/1929 Mussolini has numerals value 666.
"Hitler's Pope"?
CS Lewis got Narnia from Narni in Italy, 1949-1954.
1954 Marian year
1957 W Germany, France & Italy form EEC;
1957/8 Treaty of Rome;
1962-5 2nd Vatican council
1965 Catholic & Orthodox
Marian year 1987.
1990 Vatican has an academy of sciences.
"Revival of the Roman Empire" Maastricht 1992
Cesare G De Michelis (Protocols), 1998.
novo Millenio Ineunte 2001.
2001/3 treaty Nice
Picture of John Paul 2 looks alot like an emperor/caesar.
2005 pope funeral "broadcast to every corner of the globe".
2009 Benedict xvi encyclical "super-UN".
"spammers target new pope" 2013.
Pope Francis has 'Gog' in his real name.
266th Pope Francis 1, 266th day (2015) [666/616?]
Pope Francis person of the year on cover of Time a magazine.
Catholic Encyc & fathers "all for only $19.99" [666].
[?2015 Pope Francis "new global authority"/"fix world"]
'Kepha[s]' promoting keys of Peter claim on christianityboard, 2015.
My popes/emperors discovery, 2015.
"pope has had a stroke", 2015.
Mafia boss is called the "Pope".
Goldman-Sachs have a branch/office in Italy.

Italy & Vatican (unsorted dates):
"they make a desert and they call it 'peace' [pax]"
"divide and conquer".
"all roads lead to Rome."
"when in rome do as the Romans do."
"Rome wasn't built in a day".
"wolf in sheeps clothing" (Fabian)
"give to Caesar what is Caesar's and/or/but to God what is God's".
- Roman numerals (i, v, x, l, c, d) add upto 666.
- 666 in Revelation numerals like letters of sex.
- Ludovicus (Romance for Louis &/or "chief vicar of the court of Rome") value 666.
- he Latine basleia has value 666.
- italika ekklesia has value 666.
- vicarius filii dei has value 666.
- dux cleri has value 666.
- Paul V vice deo has value 666.
- Romiith has numerals value 666.
Vatican bank; Vatican radio; Vatican library.
The word Aspergers is like Catholic "sprinkling" "baptism".

Germany:
Pope Benedict was German.

Austria:
Charles 1 of Austria (1916) was  RC.

Romania.

Poland:
Pope John Paul was Polish.
Pope John Paul II visited Poland in 1979. solidarity

Eastern Bloc / USSR:
The choice of Wojtyla as pope (JP2), and his "soft/smart power" and his visit to Poland in 1979 are claimed to be major reasons for fall of Iron curtain & end of cold war in 1989.

Eastern Empire / Eastern Orthodox Church:
325 council Nicea
330 capital moved to Constantinople
395 division Roman empire into WRE & ERE.
527/529-533/534-565 Justinian/Theodora, legal code
610 ERE henceforward Byzantine empire
726 East/Leo 3 vs West/Gregory 2
751 Lombards take Ravenna the last Byztanine hold in Italy
1054 schism between western & eastern church
1965 Catholic & Orthodox.
Pope John Paul: [John was elder of 7 churches of Asia.]

Russia/CIS/USSR:
Protocols of Zion 1901/2/3 [probably a popish attack on jews?]
2016 Francis & Russian Patriarch meet & sign declaration

Turkey
395 division Roman empire into WRE & ERE.
Constantinople "most cosmopolitan city of the world".

"Christianity":

christianityboard forum:
Kepha thread/topic on "pope's office in the bible" 2015:
Kepha = Cephas = "pope" Peter [= Nero].
Kepha said "don't drink the kool-aid".
Kepha said Vatican sent lots of Jesuits as fake pastors.
Kepha said "you will be assimilated" (with picture of cyborgs).

Mary Baker Eddy has Catholic name (Mary), is a baker like the baker in Joseph story.

Israel/Jews:
Palestine/Judea part of Roman empire.
Jews betray Jesus to Romans who Crucify him.
1095 Crusades.
Protocols of Zion 1901/2/3 [probably a popish attack on jews?]
Cesare G De Michelis (Protocols), 1998
Italy and Israel side by side in 'Kings Rulers and Statesmen' book.
My ceramic top oven is "Simpson Jupiter".
"Jewish pope" [Petrus Romanus or Andreas?].
Bible says "Babylon"/Rome is behind the globalist free trade not Israel (which is called "Sodom & Egypt") (though a prophet does say ...).

Islam/Arabia:
2008 Benedict & Muslims solemn declaration/agreement.
"2016 terror attack Nice"
Isis = "Mary" = harlot Babylon (Rome).
[Miswaks have fluoride on them?]

Philippines:
"Phillipines part of Mexico" "forgot what like to be Latin", 2004.
"voting for Dutere: a bibical response", philippines, late 2015.

NZ:
pope visits NZ 1986
homosexual law reform (NZ) 1986
[sunday trading (NZ) 1989]
Catholic schools like St Patrick's & Sacred Heart.
1999 Holiness Data Ministries booklet on prayer: 1999 = 666; his holiness the pope.
1999 Smartmeters planned for NZ [= 666].
Bolger was catholic.
prostitution (NZ) 2003
civil unions (NZ) 2004
impact world tour (NZ), 2004.
NZ PM John Key 2008-2016 [~ "keys (authority) of Peter/Pope"?]
2013 same sex marriage (NZ).
Mercury Engery is Roman name.
My ceramic top oven is "Simpson Jupiter".
Hope International church Lower Hutt ~ his holiness the pope ruler of world.
[Egyptologist Peter Sullivan like Peter Graham has biggest popish name Peter?]

Pastor Chris Finlay made a lock for water container which had a pad that strangely had the name "RV Flynn" on it facing front. Net/web search came up with Rev Flynn who died in Australia in 1993. Chris claimed it is his relative-in-law Rebecca V Flynn.
Chris used Roman word "subterfuge".
Pastor Chris Finlay gave me link to antivirus site that had "diamond ring scanner" and had blog article on the Pope.

My popes/emperors discovery, 2015.

dec 2015 - feb/mar 2016 computer shop takes 8 weeks to fix my computer hdds and among the files that go missing is my Atlantis Tiahuanaco paper. (Moslem Pakistani shop owner could haveno interest in that, but the pope Francis from Argentina/America would.)

Ceres Organics is a Roman name.
Fluoride is a new latin word.
(Plumbing is a Roman word.)
Peter Dunne promoted "disruption". His name Peter is popish. United Party coallition with "christian" Future NZ party.
Winston Peters ~ Peter = popish?
Fonterra is a Roman word (and they have "99.9 %" [666])
2016 Auckland transport/housing advert has amphitheatre like formation.
2016 (12th/13th feb) lots of Valentines day eve parties.
2016 Nova Energy is Roman/Latin name.
2016 Legacy Metering is a Roman name.
EGCC word commissioner & staff names are Roman/Catholic eg Jerome, Markus.
Heart Foundation 2016 calendar only feature is sundays all red.
Feb 2016 "I am Aryan [Arjen] and i am calling from Pulse energy".
2016 computer shop tech says "no problemo" (Roman/Latin word)?
Quinn says alot of foreigners in Auckland now/recently esp in the churches social services.
Many things have "99.9 %" or "$ 9.99" [666].
["John West" ~ gone west?]
Organics here have lots of Roman products (eg zito tomato passata, mixed beans). Zito means young bachelor [like popes?]

USA, Puerto Rico, Cuba:
(Philo-)Publius a pseudonym used by James Madison, Alexander Hamilton (Jewish) and John Jay in writing The Federalist Papers.
Mormons ~ Romans? Myrmidons? Moroni & Jerome both 400-421.
"Empire State"?
1960 JFK jnr was catholic; died same day as CS Lewis (& Huxley).
Pope John 23 intervended Cuban missle crisis 1962.
Yockey's 'Imperium' is a Roman word/name.
Publius Enigma.
'Clementine 2', 1996/2003 [recalls '1 Clement' [Domitian persecution]?]
2001 Bush visits Pope JP2 at Castel Gandolfo
2005 Bush & Clinton pay respects to Pope John Paul 2.
2013 Pope Francis advises US & Cuba to exchange prisoners
2013/2014 secret meetings Obama & Pope, Cuba "miracle".
Picture of the last 4 presidents of the US in wikipedia list: they all look weird like either/both poisoned/fluoridated and/or deceived by pope.
Mar 2016 "why Trump is the best thing to ever happen to the USA" by psychic Danielle Egnew who promotes "one family".

John Kasich "Religion ... formerly Roman Catholicism"
"Kasich was raised a Catholic, but considers denominations irrelevant, and stated that "there's always going to be a part of me that considers myself a Catholic."

Cruz [name is Latin for cross?] said "I'm Cuban, Irish, and Italian, and yet somehow I ended up Southern Baptist."

2016 Sandars spoke in philadelphia [like 6th church in Revelation].
Bernie Sanders: "... and this is not Judaism, this is what Pope Francis is talking about, that we can’t just worship billionaires and the making of more and more money."
"Sanders's wife is Roman Catholic, and he has frequently expressed admiration for Pope Francis, saying that "the leader of the Catholic Church is raising profound issues." (Wikipedia.)

2016 Hillary Clinton promotes "smart power", Hillary is Roman name.
Nicholas Riccardi [Roman/Italian name?]

Trump's name related to Schtrompfs/Smurfs; & Trumpkin?.
2016 "Trump retracted his criticism of the Pope: " I don't think this is a fight," said Trump. "I think he said something much softer than was originally reported by the media." " (Wikipedia, 'Donald Trump'.)

"Peoples Commissar" Jamaran / John Emerson sends email "from Abba" about how he & his life has the number 562 [similar to 666] suggesting he is messenger of God.


South America:
dec 2015 - feb/mar 2016 computer shop takes 8 weeks to fix my computer hdds and among the files that go missing is my Atlantis Tiahuanaco paper. (Moslem Pakistani shop owner could haveno interest in that, but the pope Francis from Argentina/America would.)


Globalism/World/International/UN(O):
Bible says "Babylon"/Rome is behind the globalist free trade.
Pope JP2 visted 129 countries.
2009 Benedict xvi encyclical "super-UN"
2014 "pope" Francis gives orb with cross on it to Queen Eliz which bbc said symbolises "christian" royal dominion over the globe/world.
[?2015 Pope Francis "new global authority"/"fix world"]
[2015 game of thrones.]

web/net: worldhistoria forum
Franciscosan on "pythagorean coins":
(John) Francisco(san) ~ pope Francis? (John Paul? Prester John?)
Pythagoras = was in Italy/Sicily, lived about the same time as first known pontiffex maximus, "philo-sopher", "transmigration of the soul", "new moral order", "mystic", "founded a brotherhood", "key to unerstanding the universe", "most ardent scientific investigator" [omni-scient?], "focus of a sort-of religious brotherhood", "amzing intellect", "study of harmony", "geometry", "strict discipline of purity", "secrets of nature", "metaphysician of genius and one of the great figures of hermetism", "was considered a demi-god", Iamblichus called him a harmonic deity", "he wasthen named the 'northern Apollo with the golden thigh'". Name means "persuader of the agora/assembly/market-place" or "something like 'speech of Apollo'" ("Pytho/Delphi" or "priestess of Apollo" or "Pythius/Apollo") (slayer of the serpent/dragon Python). [Paul vs Python woman in 'Acts'?] [Knights of Pythias?]
Coins ~ economic? Popes & Emperors & kings on coins?

A forum poster said "You will be assimilated".

web/net: allempires forum:
Justinian in middle of top banner.
Latin in picture uploader.
Centrix's name is Roman.

web/net: Graham Hancock forum:
Heron said "sometimes think that the gnomes built them".
Heron said his name short for Hieronymus/Jerome; heron also may refer to Nero(n), hierophant "an explainer of mysteries" (the pope in tarot), phoenix/bennu/heron. heron is a European bird?
Dictionary says a gnome is a small misshapen being or supernatural dwarfish being of subterranean race, orig guarding treasures of the (subterranean) earth. [Similar to Elves/Welfs/Guelphs, Smurfs, Hobbits?] &/or International (esp Swiss) financier. Coined/invented by Paracelsus.
Also a word meaning a pithy saying, aphorism, maxim, sententious..
Apkallu = "pontiff".

Dr Troglodyte has Roman signature.

web/net: Historum forum.
Historum and forum are Roman names/words.
Coloseum on Historum banner.
Peter Graham : Peter is the biggest Popish name; he uses Roman words.

Unallocated as to which countries:

Misc:
['Senate' books.]
'Cardinal (Books)'.
Lenovo computer.
Gregorian chant music popular a few years ago.
Esperanto.

Sci Fi & Detective fiction ebooks:
Roy Glasham's Library has Latin motto.
"Cosmopolis".

Marvel Comics:
has Zeus/Jupiter & Roman eagle as the head of all the gods of world.

TV/Movies:
Smallville: Veritas is Roman name.
Peter on 'Fringe' had Roman Catholic name.
'Sopranos'.
'Godfather'.

CS Lewis:
CS Lewis got Narnia from Narni in Italy.
"High King Peter" [Peter is the biggest popish name].
Died same day as JFK (& Huxley).
(More here : www.allempires.com/forum/ebook_view.asp?BookID=104 )

Wikipedia:
has noticably Roman words & phrases sentences in articles.
'Granpa' in http://religion.wikia.com/wiki/At-a-glance/The_Bible/101 is like Granpa Smurf, and Papa/Pope.

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truthsetsfree:-

Probably I've missed the point, but your post appears to be no more than a list of facts (?), none of which lead to a conclusion that the Pope is the worlds leader, in the New World Order or otherwise.

Sure, there are latin words in many languages as loan words which have been cemented into the language. English is one such language.

Bear in mind that Latin and Greek were the languages of education, the sciences, and trade, and that the Romans in particular travelled throughout Europe, Central Asia and the British Isles, colonising some countries which they conquered. It's to be expected that their languages have remained, in part, in popular useage.

Also bear in mind that the Roman Catholic Church influenced much, if not all of Europe at different times, as well as South America.

I can't see your point.



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Thanks. Fair enough. Sorry, i just didn't/don't have the time and health to explain everything. (Look how much time & effort excessive hard work it took to explain the 9 battle sites of Arthur, and i have only done 3 or 4 out of 9. I simply can not do that for everything except for short/small things not things with do much data.) I can only suggest that you/people go through all the lines and try notice the more stark intriguing ones.

I may be wrong about a few of the things. But i am not wrong about everything. I may have to edit it and remove some peoples names. I was (and always am) just sick of and angry about being poisoned by the fluoridated (etc) tap water etc.

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The Hanoverians indeed were Welfs (Guelphs), but their dynasty in Britain ended with Queen Victoria. Her husband, Prince Albert, was a Wettin, and this agnatic line has continued down to Elizabeth II, although they changed their name to Windsor at the outset of World War I. The younger generation of Windsors, descended in male-line from Prince Philip, will be Oldenburgs.

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Hi truthstesfree,
Have you considered that you are seeing archetypes as Jung defined them and are projecting with greater than average precision bc you are not well physically?

You may have been shown links in a(n) heretofore  unconnected chain, or there could be more gravity in these facts than you are actually able to link in the known documentation.

In any case its not a bad idea to list things.
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Jung, no less. Next thing we'll have Pavlogs dogs set on us.

Now that TSF is mixing a conspiracy theory of the New World Order with the Holy Roman Catholic Church, perhaps we should start probing other matter such as the Vatican involvement of the Nazi Rat Line etc. etc.


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So many theories so little time.

Its plausible that the Vatican feared Soviets more than Nazis. Now there is so much evidence. Do you think Hitler made it to South America?
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Different kind and level of threat.  Nazis lasted 11? years, Fascism (Italian and otherwise) longer than that but not so much a threat to Vatican.  Communism 70-80 years.  Nazis and their thousand year reich flamed out pretty quickly.  Of course national socialism and international socialism are really just two sides of the same coin.  As is German ultranationalism, and zionism, both founded in Vienna in the 1890s.

Hitler died in Berlin, but Soviets wanted to keep the legend alive. Oh, except for his head, his head is kept in a vat in Cheyenne Mountain, hooked up to a Kraay supercomputer, if they ever accidentally wire it to the main computer, which has the launch codes, we can kiss it all goodbye.  ;)
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Actually, I believe that the OP is preposterous. The Pope controls the policies of the Roman Catholic Church, but, like governments all over the world, he would not know the detail of how all of his departments operate. 

The Pope provides spiritual guidance for millions, if not billions, of people all over the world and just could influence the outcome of elections should he elect to do so. There is no evidence of the Pope having done so in the modern era, as far as I know.

I'd rather accept the Billderberg theory instead of a papal one.


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Sorry if I am a little thick.

OP? outpost? operational procedure? office of the presidency?
I am sure I am supposed to know what this is, but it escapes me.

Bilderberg theory??


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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

Sorry if I am a little thick.

OP? outpost? operational procedure? office of the presidency?
I am sure I am supposed to know what this is, but it escapes me.

Bilderberg theory??



  1. Original Post;
  2. Bilderberg Theory. There is a conspiracy theory that the word is goerned by an elite number of politicians, military generals, business people and some members of various governments. The basic tenet of the theory is that these people, aided and supported by The Knights of Columbus, the Literati and the Priory of Sion rule the world in aspects over which they have control such as money markets, military adventures and the policies of various governments. From memory, the Bilderbergs also have influental members of Christian churches as members.
Remember, it's a theory, a strongly held theory by many people, but,nevertheless, a theory.

Google The Bilderberg Group, the Literati, Priory of Sion and the Knights of Columbus for more speculative info.


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Yes Bilderberg is what the new anarchists are embracing. Do we all accept that powerful people run the world? 
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It would be nice if someone was in control, knew what was going on, even if they were malevolent.  No?  Maybe it would be better that way.  But I kind of doubt it is that way.  Three men can keep a conspiracy if two men are dead.  People tend to like to talk.

Powerful people run aspects of the world, but they generally don't 'systematically' collude.
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Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:

Yes Bilderberg is what the new anarchists are embracing. Do we all accept that powerful people run the world? 

"...run the world?" I don't think so. Have a major influence in some areas, definately.

If, and I reiterate, if, the Bilderberg Group exists in the way described by theorists, it could explain why a lot of world decisions are made like they are.

I don't know. I have an open mind on many of these "conspiracy theories", which doesn't include a Popish takeover of world domination.
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Well, they can't be that important....  After all, they haven't consulted me.<grin>

There are conspiracies in the world, but if there was a "Conspiracy," don't you think that things would be less chaotic?  I mean, just look at the Middle East, don't you think the Palestinian (Arab)/Israeli thang would be settled, one way or the other, by now if there actually was some body in control?

But then again, I don't really know what the Bilderberg group is, and I don't think that reading about it would really fill me in adequately.  I do like the Matt Damon movie, the Good Shepherd.
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Quote Well, they can't be that important....  After all, they haven't consulted me.

Well, there you go. Obviously of no importance whatsoever.Wink

Getting back to the OP, I suppose that in medieval times Popes had a big say on what happened in Europe, including the British Isles. I don't know of any conspiracies, but they weren't afraid to throw their weight around.

TSF's list of facts are interesting and are indicative of popish attempts at domination, but I don't see a conspiracy. Perhaps he could expand his thoughts and point out where he believes that the conspiracy existed. I'd be very interested.


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http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/09/24/7-wicked-popes-and-the-terrible-things-they-did/?utm_term=.12cc299e86ac

You have heard of the Borgias ? Alexander VI, Rodrigo Borgia is said to have manipulated marriages, elections and military intervention in Italy to amass wealth so his family could secure positions in Rome. The article has some other 'fun facts' about men of God.
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There was this one conspiracy, but it is not (necessarily) a Catholic one, one might say it is Catholic conspiracy that became anti-Catholic.  There was this guy named Luther, that wanted to reform the Church, (hence the name, Reformation), he advocated amongst other things, that Catholic monasteries and churches should not be so much into worldly possessions, which of course justified the local Baronies and dukedoms taking church lands and property.  Surprise! when the Catholic authorities came looking for him, he had a, rich, nobleman to protect him.  Pretty good scam, if you can get it.  Understand, I am not saying that was a bad thing, I'm just saying that it worked, instead of getting local authorities to hand over Martin Luther, he was protected from the Inquisition.  And that is history.

Selling indulgences was a pretty good scam, but it caused a reaction from pius monks _like_ Luther, that eventually undermined the authority of the Church.
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OK, but as to a papist plot to rule the world, I can't see one in modern times.

The Holy Roman Catholic Church holds influence over millions of people world wide but I haven't seen evidence of Catholics being influenced to vote one way or another, maybe it's happened in modern times, I simply don't know.

On the other hand, if the Pope was to direct his flock to vote for a particular candidate in any national or other important election, I doubt that the flock would follow his directions. As you would be aware, there is a groundswell of opinion that is against the teachings of Holy Mother Church in areas such as same sex marriage, female clergy, birth control and so on.

And franciscosan, no I'm not a Roman Catholic either.  Wink
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

OK, but as to a papist plot to rule the world, I can't see one in modern times.

The Holy Roman Catholic Church holds influence over millions of people world wide but I haven't seen evidence of Catholics being influenced to vote one way or another, maybe it's happened in modern times, I simply don't know.

On the other hand, if the Pope was to direct his flock to vote for a particular candidate in any national or other important election, I doubt that the flock would follow his directions. As you would be aware, there is a groundswell of opinion that is against the teachings of Holy Mother Church in areas such as same sex marriage, female clergy, birth control and so on.

And franciscosan, no I'm not a Roman Catholic either.  Wink


So if I am plotting an act that is not against the law, I mean secular law, is it still conspiracy?
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Quote So if I am plotting an act that is not against the law, I mean secular law, is it still conspiracy?

Yes, there exists more than secular law. For example, if two or more cardinals were plotting the death of a Pope (is such a thing even believable-John 23rd, John Paul, John Paul 2?That is still a conspiracy.

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Quote a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.
 So it could be an act not legally unlawful, but harmful to someone or to someones best interests.


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