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Why has anti Catholic bigotry died a death?

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    Posted: 26 Mar 2011 at 09:33
Rewind to the 1960s - the only real electoral problem for John F. Kennedy was that he was Catholic and that Protestants were unwilling to vote for someone who would be a pawn of Rome. Anti Catholic rantings were common in Britain right up until the 1960s, some of those rants were combined with jingoistic parochialism against the Irish, but I digress.

Why is anti Catholic bigotry now non existant? Catholics run for public office in Protestant areas in the US all the time and face no problems. Newt Gingrich, prospective Republican nominee for President is a Catholic.

I suppose I'm asking when did all this change?
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I suppose living in a mostly Roman Catholic country it would seem that way.
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Discrimination in the UK was against the 'Roman' not the 'Catholic'. Probably true of the US too: I don't recall mention of much anti-Episcopalian discrimination: rather the other way around.
 
The fuindamental reason is therefore that a Roman Catholic president's ultimate loyalty would not be to the US but to a foreign power. (Same reason a Roman Catholic cannot be king/queen of Britain.) The same reasoning affected most of Northern Europe and Russia too, especially in the formative years of the 17/18th century.  I'm not sure why it went on so much longer in the US than in most countries, though the US is more isolationist and isolated than most.
 
Moreover particularly in the UK and US, Roman Catholicism in the 19th/20th century was associated with immigrants and poverty, and therefore something that reputable people would not care to be associated with. In the US particularly it as a result was seen as 'obviously' tied to revolutionary movements. It's no accident that Sacco and Vanzetti were Roman Catholics. The KKK were anti-RC as well as anti-black and anti-semitic.
 
In the UK in the 30s Roman Catholicism (cf Evelyn Waugh passim) became somewhat fashonable among the aristocracy and 'society' but by that time anti-Roman Catholiism was wearing off generally: after ww2 in the UK no-one much cared about religion any more outside Northern Ireland.
 
In the 'sixties the US tended to follow the UK in that regard, with the diminution of traditional religion in general and the general absorption of European immigrants into the general populace. You still find a fair amount of anti-RC propaganda around (cf. e.g. Bob Jones). And of course in recent years the place of Roman Catholics has to a great extent been taken over in the social strata by Muslims and to some extent other Asians.
 
Mind you that's a simplified picture. The story is rather different in the wealthy and socially acceptable ranks of the old largely Spanish Roman Catholics, as Dr G may well point out.
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I think anti Roman catholic bigotry has its roots within the post-bellum era when fundamentalist religious movement flared all over the protestant world and their policies which largely were opposed by the RC church (like the temperance movement).

From what I read RCs were pretty much well integrated within the society during the antibellum era and if I am not mistaken one might even claim they were "overrepresentated". They had federal judges and a chief justice. They had governors, senators and representatives as well as being well represented in the military. The flood of immigration added to a series of papal bulls including the one asserting papal infaliability (which stirred pasions in Britain as well) and the rise of fundamentalism all affected the state of catholics and gave rise to anti-catholic bigotry.
 
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Quote In the UK in the 30s Roman Catholicism (cf Evelyn Waugh passim) became somewhat fashonable among the aristocracy and 'society' but by that time anti-Roman Catholiism was wearing off generally: after ww2 in the UK no-one much cared about religion any more outside Northern Ireland.


In Central Scotland too, although at a grass roots working class level.  Sect was a pretty big deal when I was at primary school.  I suppose Roman Catholic schools don't help the problem much.
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Yes. I'm kind of used to thinking of Northern Ireland and south-west Scotland at least as being the same people. Liverpool is a kind of offshoot of the same culture too.

Incidentally, the Supreme Court now has a considerable Roman Catholic majority (6-3) Alito's appointment in 2006 gave them a 5-4 majority and Sotomayor made it 6-3. During the 20th century there was a tradition of there being always a 'Catholic seat', but over the last 20 years there has been a pretty solid run of Roman Catholics appointed.

 

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Tony Blair's conversation?

It wasn't and isn't just SW Scotland.  There are still Orange marches in Edinburgh and there is a significant proportion with Irish ancestry dating from 19th century lackeys. Hibernian football club is one legacy of it and in fact Glasgow Celtic is an off-shoot of Edinburgh Hibernian (that judas priest).
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Because people are generally less bigotted than they used to be maybe? By the way the British monarch cannot be a Roman Catholic because they fulfil the role of head of the Church of England; not belonging to the religion you lead is problematic; the allegiance to a foreign power is more relevant in terms of British politicians.
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