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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

Part of the significance of the democrats having their convention in Millwaukie is that Wisconsin has historically had a strong streak of socialism, they had a governor or two that was a socialist.  Also, the democrats have to do something about the loss of the mid-West in the last election.

Also, Wisconsin is a swing-vote state. Right from the get-go, most states are either clearly red (conservative Republican) or clearly blue (liberal Democratic). Thus it may pay off more to campaign in a swing-vote state, which can go either way. I think that Florida and Ohio are also swing-vote states.

In the electoral college, for most states, it's winner-take-all. Whoever gets the most popular votes gets all of that state's electoral votes. I n the election, it's almost a predestined fact which candidate will get the red states' electoral votes, and which candidate   will get the blue states' electoral votes. In the swing states, even if the popular vote is very close, it doesn't matter, all of the electoral votes will go to the winner. 

This also puts 3rd party candidates at a serious disadvantage in the electoral college. The electoral system  favors the 2 mainstream political parties. There's no need for the winner to have an absolute majority (51% or more) of votes. If one candidate gets 34% of the popular vote, another gets 33%, and a third also gets 33%, the first candidate will get 100% of that states' electoral votes.   


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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

Considering how hostile President Obama was to the business community, I think that Scooby Do would have improved the economy if he had been elected.  Now President Trump probably did better than Scooby Do would.  But so would have your favorite person, Hillary Clinton.
Considering how President Obama cooked the statics for unemployment, I am not sure that when you say lowest unemployment since the 1950s, that that is a meaningful statistic under President Trump.  Obama did not count people who had been unemployed a long time, and had basically stopped looking, he did not count them as unemployed, thus cooking the statistics that had been developed by Herbert Hoover.

So, whose statistics are you and Trump using, Herbert Hoover's or President Obama's?
Now, now certainly your friends at CNN would have discredited the employment data if they COULD.
The fact that liberal media won't talk about the economy should be a BIG TIP, much like the elephant's circumcision. 
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This also puts 3rd party candidates at a serious disadvantage in the electoral college. The electoral system  favors the 2 mainstream political parties. There's no need for the winner to have an absolute majority (51% or more) of votes. If one candidate gets 34% of the popular vote, another gets 33%, and a third also gets 33%, the first candidate will get 100% of that states' electoral votes.   
Hi Windemere

What are your thoughts on the front runners DNC who have announced their candidacy?

Can you see Gillibrand or Booker or Harris winning a Primary?

Jill Stein was a much better candidate than any of these democrats, says I. Yet as you suggest quality does not matter where the mainstream parties or media is concerned.
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Colorado liberal governor has pushed forth a bill saying that Colorado's electoral college delegates will be given to those who win the [national] popular majority, even if the state goes the other way.

Jared Polis is a gay Boulderite (people's republic of Boulder), who is rich and buys his elections, his first election was for school board and he spent a million on the campaign.  Liberals only mind the buying of campaigns if they are not the one's doing it.

Co Governor Hickenlooper is a nice guy (moderate), but I can't see him making it on the national stage, Senator Bennett is a bit of a carpet bagger.  Someone who came to Colorado to make it politically, because he couldn't do it where he came from.


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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

Colorado liberal governor has pushed forth a bill saying that Colorado's electoral college delegates will be given to those who win the [national] popular majority, even if the state goes the other way.
Jeez, Is this an idea whose time has come? It sure don't feel right. Certainly can see why the DNC hates the electoral college but I think its fair :)

Quote Jared Polis is a gay Boulderite (people's republic of Boulder), who is rich and buys his elections, his first election was for school board and he spent a million on the campaign.  Liberals only mind the buying of campaigns if they are not the one's doing it.

Massachusetts is full of democrats who always vote the party line. Maybe it's a Kennedy thing I don't get it at all. Ted Kennedy used to show up in town every couple years and people went nuts for it, just love those sons of bitches. Joe Kennedy was a treasonous criminal and all their empire built on bootlegging. Doesn't matter, democrats can't lose here. (R)Gov Bill Weld was a fluke, he might be running POTUS 2020.

Quote Co Governor Hickenlooper is a nice guy (moderate), but I can't see him making it on the national stage, Senator Bennett is a bit of a carpet bagger.  Someone who came to Colorado to make it politically, because he couldn't do it where he came from.
Sounds like Mitt Romney, that man has always seemed dishonest and disloyal. Even after licking Trump's boots to get his endorsement for the Senate and winning, he says Trump hasn't "risen to the mantle of the office." 
What office would that be, Mitt? The one you will never win?
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Will dems self-destruct?  Probably.  The Democrats may have to give up on 2020, and will have to groom candidates for future elections.

With the stable of possible candidates for POTUS they may not be able to do otherwise.  It is difficult enough to defeat an incumbent at most any level of political office in the US.  With the GOP spinning the "end" of Russiagate, it could be that Mr. Trump has a leg up on re-election.  

Republicans appear to be oblivious to the degree of corruption in the highest offices these days.  One must assume they don't care as long as POTUS is anti-immigration.  The populist has his issue that resonates.  The Dems don't.  Of course that could all change in a year, but don't bet on it.

The traditional Democrats (Joe Biden, etc.) are mostly dead politicians.  Biden and Hilary Clinton can forget about 2020.  They are too old anyway.  The new Congress is populated by too many inexperienced and inconsequential personalities rather than serious potential candidates.  Amy Klobuchar; Warren; Gillibrand et. al., and crazy old guys like Bernie Sanders - and young guys like Beto O'Rourke - are not serious contenders (IMHO).

The president elected in 2020 will not be a woman - too many bad effects from Clinton.  It will not be a Black man - that experiment is too recent and unfortunately polarizing.  If the Repubs don't challenge Trump in primaries, it looks like a 2020 horse race he might win again.  The Electoral College is a minority party political asset.  

Comment above concerning Mitt Romney as a Repub candidate is probably best ignored.  He is a dead politician too.  Once you lose on the national level, your are no longer a serious figure in leadership.         


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That statement about no longer being a viable leadership candidate once you lose at the national level is probably true in most cases, but there are exceptions. Richard Nixon overcame his loss to John Kennedy to defeat Hubert Humphrey.
I wouldn't say Mitt Romney is quite dead. But I doubt he could mount an effective challenge to Trump. I think that Bernie Sanders did significantly better in 2016 than anyone expected him to. I think he'll actually improve this time around, too, but it still won't be enough to overcome Trump.  Trump's much-vaunted tax-cut didn't amount to a hill of beans for working-class people (It came to a tax savings of perhaps $150 per year for those who didn't itemize and took the standard-deduction) but they are still hoping that he'll come through for them in a second term. But Sanders' message of Medicare for All is resonating with more and more people,  and it will stay in the forefront.




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This also puts 3rd party candidates at a serious disadvantage in the electoral college. The electoral system  favors the 2 mainstream political parties. There's no need for the winner to have an absolute majority (51% or more) of votes. If one candidate gets 34% of the popular vote, another gets 33%, and a third also gets 33%, the first candidate will get 100% of that states' electoral votes.   
Hi Windemere

What are your thoughts on the front runners DNC who have announced their candidacy?

Can you see Gillibrand or Booker or Harris winning a Primary?

Jill Stein was a much better candidate than any of these democrats, says I. Yet as you suggest quality does not matter where the mainstream parties or media is concerned.

Thanks for your reply. There are so many Democratic candidates coming out of the woodwork now, that I can't keep them straight. I actually don't know anything about Gillibrand or Booker or Harris. I'll have to wait for the debates. Jill Stein has been running for stateoffices in Massachusetts for years. She represents the Green/Rainbow Party, and she has a small but loyal constituency. She knows she has no chance of being elected. I think her main goal is to keep the Green/Rainbow issues in the forefront of the public. She knows she won't have to fulfill any promises, so she has some freedom to be a bit more idealistic than otherwise. I think she's less practical than Bernie Sanders, but she strikes me as more down-to-earth than Elizabeth Warren. But the media loves drama, and Warren will appeal to them more than Stein.


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Originally posted by Windemere Windemere wrote:

That statement about no longer being a viable leadership candidate once you lose at the national level is probably true in most cases, but there are exceptions. Richard Nixon overcame his loss to John Kennedy to defeat Hubert Humphrey.
I wouldn't say Mitt Romney is quite dead. But I doubt he could mount an effective challenge to Trump. I think that Bernie Sanders did significantly better in 2016 than anyone expected him to. I think he'll actually improve this time around, too, but it still won't be enough to overcome Trump.  Trump's much-vaunted tax-cut didn't amount to a hill of beans for working-class people (It came to a tax savings of perhaps $150 per year for those who didn't itemize and took the standard-deduction) but they are still hoping that he'll come through for them in a second term. But Sanders' message of Medicare for All is resonating with more and more people,  and it will stay in the forefront.



Interesting comments.  The juggling act of tax cuts and benefits for all has a mutually exclusive quality that will always be difficult to reconcile.  In the US at least, no politician with a functioning brain is going to favor tax increases.  There is no upside to that (of course there is no upside to cutting spending either, but that is all another argument).

All the Repub/Trump noise about steel mills opening all over the country and coal mines opening and all the jobs  and so on is just background noise.  No one thinks that is happening.  A populist ex-Democrat and current convenient Republican, Mr. Trump has cast himself as a great white hope and that is about all there is to any popularity he has.  

Even Republican White evangelicals, who are supposed to be Christian in outlook and practice, support him by something like 87%.  What they approve of is that their president doesn't like swarthy foreigners.  There isn't much else involved.  Media conspiracy theorists stoke fear and resentment; they are ready to buy into the M.S.M. being "enemies of the people" because of ratings and the effect on their income.  Don't ask them about public policy because they really don't care.  These days he who can manipulate media and form supporters based on fear and hate has a great advantage.

Aside from all that, the Democrats don't have anything to counter Trump's celebrity status in the media age.  He is not really a politician.  He is a professional personality and a showman.  O.J. Simpson and Michael Jackson showed how celebrities are Teflon-coated in many respects.  

All that stuff about POTUS's disengagement in office; his disinterest in policy and in national security concerns will be difficult to overcome by "Medicare for all" and free university.  Trump has shown he can get at what he wants by not paying a price for anything.  The "Wall" is just a finger to his opponents and its isn't costing him anything; it energizes his "base.".  

All his Mar-a-Lago buddies got actual tax cuts, but they vote too I guess. Big smile




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Comment above concerning Mitt Romney as a Repub candidate is probably best ignored.  He is a dead politician too.  Once you lose on the national level, your are no longer a serious figure in leadership.         
The comment on Romney wasn't about him running for POTUS. He just won a senate seat after gaining Trumps' support and now resumes back biting Trump.
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Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:

Originally posted by pikeshot1600 pikeshot1600 wrote:

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Comment above concerning Mitt Romney as a Repub candidate is probably best ignored.  He is a dead politician too.  Once you lose on the national level, your are no longer a serious figure in leadership.         
The comment on Romney wasn't about him running for POTUS. He just won a senate seat after gaining Trumps' support and now resumes back biting Trump.

That's politics.  It is highly unlikely that Romney will be a credible primary challenger, but who knows what will happen in the next 12 months.  There may be an "asset bubble" close to bursting, and when the inevitable recession follows, that may be in the middle of the election year.
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Romney seems to be considering a run against Trump.  He hasn't said that, but one can see it.  I am not sure that Trump is someone who deserves loyalty, because for him it is a something that he demands, but does not care to give.  Not saying he will, not saying he won't.

We are in la-la land now, folks, standard expectations are out the window, and they have been since the W. Bush administration (when Barack Obama became ascendant).

Of course, the democrats came into trouble when Hillary Clinton became the "obvious" choice because of how all the superdelegates owed the Clinton's power structure.  I wonder if Trump switched to Republicans because the superdelegate system was designed to prevent someone like him (an outsider) from running.  I thinK the democrats have fixed the problem, they're good at "fixing" things, like their new bid to get rid of the electoral college.  Why bother to play within the rules when you can change them in your favor.  Of course civilization is based on a bet that it is more profitable to play the game, than it is to beat your opponent profusely on the head and shoulders.  That is one thing that scares me, the democrats are playing up to the rabble, and the Republicans are playing up to a (different) rabble.  My concern is that in trying to win, both will loose.
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All the Repub/Trump noise about steel mills opening all over the country and coal mines opening and all the jobs  and so on is just background noise.  No one thinks that is happening.  A populist ex-Democrat and current convenient Republican, Mr. Trump has cast himself as a great white hope and that is about all there is to any popularity he has.
Our local economy is good. Numbers don't lie but fair enough just as Obama's administration skewed the numbers , so could Trump's. I'm not imagining the increase in jobs for people in the trades as we say. Our local economy is banging. 

Quote Even Republican White evangelicals, who are supposed to be Christian in outlook and practice, support him by something like 87%.  What they approve of is that their president doesn't like swarthy foreigners.  There isn't much else involved.
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Legal swarthy is fine we'll take em. Especially if they are willing to work, and we know they are. I wish every person in central and south american could have a decent legal status that allowed them to eran and assimilate. Hell Yes! And bring some enchiladas for me!
[quote]  Media conspiracy theorists stoke fear and resentment; they are ready to buy into the M.S.M. being "enemies of the people" because of ratings and the effect on their income.  Don't ask them about public policy because they really don't care.  These days he who can manipulate media and form supporters based on fear and hate has a great advantage.

Not exactly news there pikeshot1600 Wink. No silent coup. 

All that stuff about POTUS's disengagement in office; his disinterest in policy and in national security concerns will be difficult to overcome by "Medicare for all" and free university.  Trump has shown he can get at what he wants by not paying a price for anything.  The "Wall" is just a finger to his opponents and its isn't costing him anything; it energizes his "base.".  

All his Mar-a-Lago buddies got actual tax cuts, but they vote too I guess. Big smile

Probably did get tax cuts, everyone did. It was less weekly deduction and you didn't get the return that you expected. 
I suspect the wiser action on the border is a physical barrier. The threats are manifold. Why not have a migrant facility on the Mexican side? We should be humanitarian, get the WHO to meet the basic needs ..but over there not in US. 
Why hasn't the US government established a better relationship with Central and South America? As far I can see it's been the absence of reliable government on their part. And now it's this horrendous kill fest in these countries. Not to mention our participation in the destruction of the lungs of the plant, destroying estuaries in South America?

Why can't the Democrats get behind a candidate who cares about the planet? Solyndra was $500 million dollar flop. All we have to do is look at Germany and how they are using solar but no one in mainstream parties will touch that rail.


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If you promoted solar as a way to get off the grid (or better yet, sell power to the power company), you might get libertarian minded people interested in it.  Of course, one problem with solar is that by the time it is actually profitable, it is about the time to refurbish/replace it.  If you consider the hassle to put it in, it is only marginally successful.  Great for people who want to say that they have solar, but not in a detached cost/benefit analysis, not necessarily worth the trouble.  (btw, we have solar, since about the Carter administration.)

Some people believe that Pelosi delayed things for the impeachment to screw over (specifically) Bernie Sanders, but also the other senators on the campaign trail.  There is a belief that the DNC (which was in Hillary's back pocket) screwed over Bernie in the 2016 election.  I am not sure that I can say the conspiracy theories (in this account) are wrong.
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Definitely taking a step forward with solar;
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/bill-gates-backed-heliogens-solar-breakthrough-could-replace-fossil-fuels-in-steel-and-other-big-polluting-industries-2019-11-20
The technology, which directs mirrors to reflect the sun to a single point, is not new, but achieving such temperatures consistently, boosted by artificial intelligence in directing the mirrors, marks the major achievement. Previous commercial-sized concentrating solar thermal systems have been designed to reach temperatures of up to only 565 degrees Celsius, which is useful for power generation but insufficient for many industrial processes. Their required higher temperatures have traditionally been reached only through burning fossil fuels, including oil and natural gas. Oman even uses such solar technology, at the previously achieved temperatures, to power its oil drilling.

"I am not sure that I can say the conspiracy theories (in this account) are wrong."

Can you say Venezuela?
Socialism is a fantasy. 

They are not conspiracy 'theories'.Obama left the DNC 24 million in debt. Hillary paid 80% of that debt.

When the Politico story described this arrangement as “essentially … money laundering” for the Clinton campaign, Hillary’s people were outraged at being accused of doing something shady. Bernie’s people were angry for their own reasons, saying this was part of a calculated strategy to throw the nomination to Hillary.

I wanted to believe Hillary, who made campaign finaplatform, but I had made this pledge to Bernie and did not want to disappoint him. I kept asking the party lawyers and the DNC staff to show me the agreements that the party had made for sharing the money they raised, but there was a lot of shuffling of feet and looking the other way.nce reform part of her


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I think that if you have a theory that is not based on fact, but on supposition.  In other words, the evidence is not there for you, that would be a conspiracy theory.  It may prove to be an accurate model of what is going on, but I would not consider it, a well-reasoned, evidentiary supposition.  So a conspiracy theory lacks the evidence, and when it gets the evidence it is no longer a conspiracy theory.  That is, in a perfect world, where we are not swamped by propaganda all the time.

Does that even make sense?
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Evidence doesn't mean acceptance, 

"I think that if you have a theory that is not based on fact, but on supposition."

Are you speaking generally or are you referring to Clinton's bailing out the DNC?

Do you remember Debbie Wasserman Schultz resigning?

Do you remeber Donna Brazile's book?

https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/02/politics/donna-brazile-dnc-book/index.html

Former DNC chair torches Clinton in new book

By Dan Merica and Maegan Vazquez, CNN

Updated 11:15 PM ET, Thu November 2, 2017

In excerpts from "Hacks: The Inside Story of the Break-ins and Breakdowns that Put Donald Trump in the White House," published in Politico, Brazile writes the DNC was rigged in Clinton's favor because her campaign was largely financing the party early on in the presidential election.
    Brazile's comments rip a scab off a wound that plagued the Democratic Party during last year's primary and charge the Clinton campaign with impropriety.

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    Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

    I think that if you have a theory that is not based on fact, but on supposition.  In other words, the evidence is not there for you, that would be a conspiracy theory.  It may prove to be an accurate model of what is going on, but I would not consider it, a well-reasoned, evidentiary supposition.  So a conspiracy theory lacks the evidence, and when it gets the evidence it is no longer a conspiracy theory.  That is, in a perfect world, where we are not swamped by propaganda all the time.

    Does that even make sense?

    Not quite. A conspiracy requires two or more people, with a similar thought plotting for the attainment of a common goal.

    A conspiracy theory is one that theorises that a conspiracy has or is now or will result in some action which has or will take place. eg JFK Assasination.
     
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    But all events are ultimately unexplained, we like to say that 'x' happened "because of" 'y' but really if we were to enumerate we'd be stuck in an infinite regress or an unlimited number of contributing factors.  For want of the nail the kingdom was lost.  So, it is always possible to turn an explained event into an unexplained event.

    I generally don't believe in "Conspiracy" but I do believe in conspiracies.  I think it was Lincoln who said you could full some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time."  There is also the statement that three men can keep a secret, if two of them are dead.  Most secrets are not lost because of oppression, except for the oppression of time, forgetfulness.

    I don't think that the media and establishment radicals are biased against conservatives in the sense of an overarching conspiracy of the press, the educational establishment, and the entertainment industry.  Or maybe I should say that they _are_ biased, in a knee jerk unthinking reflex action against anything that comes from before they thought it.  It is not a conspiracy, it is a group think, a herd morality (or mentality take your pick).  They honestly believe that everything can be planned out and regulated, and that there are no problems with that.  They believe that the problem with socialism is that it has not been properly tried, as Jordan Peterson points out, they believe that if they were to do, they could get right although everybody else who has done, has 'just happened' to get it wrong.

    The socialist believe we must throw out the system to save it, and ourselves, that is why the democrats these days are trying to slit the system's throat (and ours with it). 
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    Actually, slitting throat is a coup de grace, a killing blow.  I think the actual image is more like death by a thousand cuts, or maybe not even death, but mutilation.  It is not that the radicals disagree from Western liberalism (classical liberalism) in general.  To disagree with it, they would have to have some understanding of it, but they put a bad faith misunderstanding of it, at the forefront, and throw the baby out with the bathwater.  In a way I feel for the democrats, because they are the ones most stuck with the radical tail wagging the rest of the dog.  what is that song?  "Don't you feel like your winning when you are loosing again."  There is the "cohort of allies" that are preached about in the university.  Why be an individual and responsible for the self, when you can be one of the cohort of allies?
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    In Iowa, the democrats botched the caucus, critics on the right wonder if the democrats can't run a caucus, then how can they run the country (with any of the motley crew they call candidates).

    I can't vote for Trump, probably do third party candidate because the democrats show they are in love with the lunatic fringe.  Biden publicly said that prisoners can choose their sex, and thus whether they go to a men's prison or women's prison.  Already, there are transwomen fighters that are beating the crap out of actual women fighters.  Or transwomen runners beating actual women runners.  Men have an inherent athletic advantage, if Serena Williams competed against men, she would be something like 350 in the world ranking.  But, if you are a trans woman, then you can have an athletic advantage against real women.  How they do on lifespan, well I guess suicide is high amongst transwomen.  Is that because they are so oppressed? Or is that from a base male suicide rate, and people who were confused about their identity before, but also during and after.  But, if you can't compete with the big boys, you can become trans and dominate the girls.  Outside, or in a female prison, according to Biden.
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    Corn Pop was a tranny. i heard.

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    hmm, don't be mean to trans, you don't have to be nice either, or buy into their delusions.  Many of them are just plain confused, and hormones and "gender-reassignment" won't solve their confusion, but may compound them.  Sargon of Akkad has an interesting youtube post that talks about female to male trans, figuring out that the "patriarchal" "advantage" of men is not all it is cracked up to be.  They thought they were joining the boy club, but they didn't know the down side.  Eddie Izzaird seems like a queer who has a sophisticated and sane understanding of himself.
    From what I understand....  Doctors are experimenting with gender reassignment surgery, but they don't tend to keep track of transexuals after the procedure.  In other words, a "solution" is implemented for a (perceived) problem, but after the solution, the results are not keep track of.  Suicide is (still) a problem, but hey, as far as the doctors are concerned, out of sight out of mind.  Of course, perhaps it works for awhile as a relatively short term fix, but we really need to understand it more long term.  Some are opting for undoing the transition.  Sexologists (Debrah Soh on JRE) are butting heads with transactivists who are urging more and more conversions at younger and younger ages.  Sexologists have discovered that if you have men with gender dysphoria as a young teenage, and you don't push for reassignment, they will turn out normal(ly adjusted).  They will be gay, but will be well-adjusted individuals.
    Didn't mean to go on so long,

    The democrats need to convince people of two things in order to beat Trump, they need to convince them that they are sane, and that they are competent on a basic level.  We'll get more into that next time.  
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    Eddie Izzard(sp?) is a British stand-up comedian, with clips on youtube.  One of his many hilarious presentations is Jesus and dinosaurs, (roaaar!).  I think he self-describes as queer, not transexual.  I don't even really know what that means, but he is nobody's confused little victim, he owns it and is far from just being a stereotype (once upon a time he was interested in going into British Special Forces), I think it would be great to see him at the British equivalent of USO (performances for military service).

    Democrats need to convince people of two thing in order to beat Trump,
    1) That they are sane.  Bernie's supposed "democratic" socialism does not help things, nor does Alexandria Occasio Cortez (obsessive-compulsive, obstructed cortex?) socialism or racism (and the democrat humoring of this), does not help thing.  Bernie Sanders is very nice, but one wonders whether he can do the tough part of the job.  If you look at BS's wikipedia page, you will see that as a congressman he sponsored the naming of a post office, and a Veteran's bill (everybody loves veterans and he is on the committee.) as a senator he sponsored the naming of a post office (different post office), and, I seem to recall, a veteran's bill.  He has done nothing in the legislature except vote.  Nobody owns him, but also nobody owes him.
    2) That they are competent.  Iowa caucus kind of indicates otherwise.  One question is can they change that.  But, they wouldn't have to if they did it right the first time.

    The democrats believe that Trump has to go, but that has meant that they believe that the American people will accept whatever craziness they put forth, because they ultimately believe that people are like yellow dog democrats.  The joke is that if the Republicans put up Jesus Christ for mayor, and the democrats put up a yellow dog, a yellow dog democrat is someone who would vote for the yellow dog.

    After the invasion of Iraq, when they were putting together the interim government, the Sunnis massively miscalculated their influence.  They lived in communities that were predominantly Sunni, and so they thought they were more numerous than they really were.  In America, that is, "how could George W. be elected, nobody I know, voted for him?!?"  How could Trump be elected?  Could it be that Hillary Clinton snatched defeat from the jaws of victory?  Could it be that the electoral college did what it was supposed to do?  Mainstream media is concentrated in the urban centers and is myopic that way.  The democrats are ignoring the urban and suburban environment and drinking their own cool-aid.  James Caraville (D) said that the democrats cannot win concentrating only on the urban environment.

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    Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

    hmm, don't be mean to trans, you don't have to be nice either, or buy into their delusions. 
    Not being mean to trans peeps or Corn Pop. THE JOKE IS-Sleepy, Creepy Uncle Joe Biden.

    Quote The democrats need to convince people of two things in order to beat Trump, they need to convince them that they are sane, and that they are competent on a basic level.  We'll get more into that next time.  
    No progress yet :)



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    Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

    Eddie Izzard(sp?) is a British stand-up comedian, with clips on youtube.  One of his many hilarious presentations is Jesus and dinosaurs, (roaaar!).  I think he self-describes as queer, not transexual.  I don't even really know what that means, but he is nobody's confused little victim, he owns it and is far from just being a stereotype (once upon a time he was interested in going into British Special Forces), I think it would be great to see him at the British equivalent of USO (performances for military service).
    Izzard is also a fine actor. He is at ease, projects confidence and that's why he has such appeal. The confused victim gets my sympathy but I don't really want to hear anymore whining.

    Quote Democrats need to convince people of two thing in order to beat Trump,
    1) That they are sane.  Bernie's supposed "democratic" socialism does not help things, nor does Alexandria Occasio Cortez (obsessive-compulsive, obstructed cortex?) socialism or racism (and the democrat humoring of this), does not help thing.  Bernie Sanders is very nice, but one wonders whether he can do the tough part of the job.  If you look at BS's wikipedia page, you will see that as a congressman he sponsored the naming of a post office, and a Veteran's bill (everybody loves veterans and he is on the committee.) as a senator he sponsored the naming of a post office (different post office), and, I seem to recall, a veteran's bill.  He has done nothing in the legislature except vote.  Nobody owns him, but also nobody owes him.
    That is the most gutless, pathetic record I have ever heard! Yet you tout this as his good quality? It takes guts to be a legislator Bernie Sanders just got even less relevant. 
    Quote 2) That they are competent.  Iowa caucus kind of indicates otherwise.  One question is can they change that.  But, they wouldn't have to if they did it right the first time.
    How does Silicon Valley turn themselves into complete jackasses? Work for the DNC LOL!!!

    Quote The democrats believe that Trump has to go, but that has meant that they believe that the American people will accept whatever craziness they put forth, because they ultimately believe that people are like yellow dog democrats.  The joke is that if the Republicans put up Jesus Christ for mayor, and the democrats put up a yellow dog, a yellow dog democrat is someone who would vote for the yellow dog.
    Did you read the Brothers Karamazov? The plot involves Jesus coming back performing miracles and yes- they want to crucify him again, lol funny yellow dogs. Didn't Joe Biden call a young woman a "dog faced pony boy soldier?" That is quite insulting, it has nasty connotations going waaay back. Biden is just about underfoot, people telling him to drop out in New Hampshire rally "don't go to Nevada!!" So deservedly pathetic Joe.

    Quote After the invasion of Iraq, when they were putting together the interim government, the Sunnis massively miscalculated their influence.  They lived in communities that were predominantly Sunni, and so they thought they were more numerous than they really were.  In America, that is, "how could George W. be elected, nobody I know, voted for him?!?"  How could Trump be elected?  Could it be that Hillary Clinton snatched defeat from the jaws of victory?  Could it be that the electoral college did what it was supposed to do?  Mainstream media is concentrated in the urban centers and is myopic that way.  The democrats are ignoring the urban and suburban environment and drinking their own cool-aid.  James Caraville (D) said that the democrats cannot win concentrating only on the urban environment.

    Carville also said "Let's get relevant people!" and "Damn I'm terrified!"
    It's the Twitter syndrome, thinking that being part of the loudest and most violent group makes you the biggest influence. Thankfully not the case since the electoral college, does regulate extremists who tend to live in groups of the 'same' it would explain how a now convicted Michael Avanatti was just last year touted as "the next president" " the holy spirit" by CNN/MSNBC and other news spews.

    Some members of the mainstream media have issued mea culpas for building up now-disgraced attorney Michael Avenatti, while others have shirked responsibility and some have even blamed President Trump – but it all falls flat for critics who watched his rise from lawyer for a porn star to potential Democratic presidential candidate.

    Avenatti, who represented adult film actress Stormy Daniels in a lawsuit against President Trump, appeared on CNN and MSNBC a combined 229 times over two years, according to the Media Research Center. CNN’s Brian Stelter was Avenatti’s biggest cheerleader, once declaring that he was a “serious” contender to challenge Trump in the 2020 presidential election.

    EX-CNN DARLING MICHAEL AVENATTI CONVICTED OF TRYING TO EXTORT NIKE

    But a New York jury found Avenatti, 48, guilty Friday of extortion, wire fraud and transmission of interstate communications with intent to extort up to $25 million from Nike. He faces up to 42 years in prison and still faces two other trials.




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    toyomotor is right I should be on a leash. Well, watch the debate please so we can argue about it.
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    Sounded like the gang ganging up on Bloomberg gave Sanders a break.  Pundits thought that Bloomberg didn't do very well, but can make up for it by spending more on ads.  I wonder if there will be a point where people will have some fatigue from all his ads.  Warren laid into Bloomberg more than the others.  Newspeople talk about her high school background in debate, but to some she just comes across as vicious and petty.
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    Actually there is an effort to abolish the electoral college, by the left of course.  They have passed bills in various states, which will only go into effect if they get the required number of states to amend the constitution.  One of the many bad ideas of the left.  They just can't stand controlling only the cities but won't rest until nobody else can get any rest either.
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    Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

    Sounded like the gang ganging up on Bloomberg gave Sanders a break.  Pundits thought that Bloomberg didn't do very well, but can make up for it by spending more on ads.  I wonder if there will be a point where people will have some fatigue from all his ads.  Warren laid into Bloomberg more than the others.  Newspeople talk about her high school background in debate, but to some she just comes across as vicious and petty.

    We agree here completely. Bloomberg isn't hurt, democrats will run whoever they think will beat Trump.
    No candidate has performed so well that Bloomberg can be counted out. Some have said Bloomberg refused to be coached properly for the debate he is stubborn and rich no one tells him what to do. Of course Bloomberg won't beat Trump.
    Liz Warren was absolutely shrill. They all act like joyless people with no ideas for solving real problems. They are inventing problems like gender inequality and gay/trans agenda, not on the shortlist of issues for most of us. 

    DNC will possibly buy Sanders off again. One of his homes was surreptitiously purchased by the Clintons after 2016 elections. I don't think they let Sanders run under any circumstances. 
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