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Watch this video, and figure it out which ones of these Chileans are Easter Islanders and who are continentals.


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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

I don't know what do you mean by Latinos from Chile. Rapa Nuis and continentals are both Chileans. Even more, large numbers of Rapa Nuis move to the continent to work and study. Easter Island is like Greenland for Denmark. The same thing.

Rapa Nuians may be called citizens of Chile but in fact they are just colonial subjects with no full control over their own land. They are an invaded people who slowly are being outbreed by Latinos and overrun by Latino slum culture. 

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You can't please everyone. But that doesn't mean that's a majoritary oppinions among the people living in Easter Island. In fact is not majoritary even among pure Polynesians.

That is not what I have heard. The part of the Rapa Nuia population that are  displeased with Chilean occupation seems to be rising.

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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

... or Tahiti for that matter.
 
Maybe it can of interest to you that there are people who have protested rather vividly against French colonialism in the Pacific. Especially during the time of nuclear tests on Moruroa, but also concerning Fench colonial rule in general. One that many times wrote and campaigned for the liberation of French Polynesia was Swedish etnographer and author Beng Danielsson. He is especially well know for his book Moruroa mon amour. He even received the right livelihood award for his campaigning.
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Is it a Scandanavian disease, this effort to invent "natives" despite the fault-lines of history? Perhaps a little "science" will educate both Carch and Whalebreath (who, by the way, had better not desire a comparison of passports with regard to Pacific travel).
 
 
 
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:


The Falklands didn't have natives, but it was part of Argentina up to the time the superpower you know, grab it. With respect to Peru, they should be thanksful we returned theirs country after we took it and controlled for a couple of years. Now, if you knew it, you will realize why Chinese and others forced workers fought at the Chilean side in those wars.

The Easter Island was unpopulated when the Polynesians arrived and the current population of the Falklands are native to the islands. 


As for the last sentence: you still think Chilean imperialism is ok, but when other does it it's evil imperialism. LOL  

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Is it a Scandanavian disease, this effort to invent "natives" despite the fault-lines of history? Perhaps a little "science" will educate both Carch and Whalebreath (who, by the way, had better not desire a comparison of passports with regard to Pacific travel).
 
 
 
It is at least a Swedish disease to take anything the UN says as Holy Dogma (in this case the ILO convection, I guess) and then press the issue in question through a black-and-white filter.
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Sorry for the stereotyping on my part, Styr, but between the scatterbrained activities of the Nobel Committe in politics (e.g. the award to Manchu of Guatemala as "representative" of indigenous aspirations) to all of the propaganda over "native peoples" in the Americas one's patience wears thin. Further, when one realizes that much of the purported "identities" are fictional recreations [e.g. Rapa Nui rather than Rapanui] then one has to express contempt for these efforts at touting the joys of primitivism. Further, all of the chatter and nittering takes place without a single mention of CONADI (with respect to Chile) then one has to wonder what the purpose of all this esperpentism. Given the fact that by 1877 there were but 110 surviving islanders and that since 1888 (the date of formal Chilean acquisition) the island's population numbers have risen to over 5,000, one can hardly be describing imperialist despoiliation by ruthless Chileans. Keeping in mind that in 1934, the indigeneous population was but 456, there are very few inhabitants that might assert a pure Polynesian ancestry. Wonder what Carch would say about the preservation of "identity" as the work of Capucin friars and the Church?
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Rapa Nuians may be called citizens of Chile but in fact they are just colonial subjects with no full control over their own land.

Baloney. As I said, start a campain for Denmark to free Greenland. You are closer there.

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They are an invaded people who slowly are being outbreed by Latinos and overrun by Latino slum culture.

Absolutely ignorant comment, given the fact Easter Islanders were a people in danger of extinction, full of illneses, like lepra and others, when the Chileans pacted with theirs chief the integration to Chile.

With respect to "Latino slum culture" it just shows yours ignorance on ours region, and also about the living conditions of the poors in yours own country.

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That is not what I have heard.

Sure. You hear so many lies in the communist party office.

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The part of the Rapa Nuia population that are  displeased with Chilean occupation seems to be rising.

There is not a Rapa Nuia population. Rapa Nui is a name invented by Tahitians and Hawaiians, and it was introduced by the priests to the island Confused. The name of the island is Te-Pito-Oh-Te-henua, and means the navel of the world. Even more, the name of the island today is Eastern Island or Isla de Pascua, and the Islanders are known here as Pascuenses

Now, yours conspiration theory is just BS.




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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Sorry for the stereotyping on my part, Styr, but between the scatterbrained activities of the Nobel Committe in politics (e.g. the award to Manchu of Guatemala as "representative" of indigenous aspirations) to all of the propaganda over "native peoples" in the Americas one's patience wears thin. Further, when one realizes that much of the purported "identities" are fictional recreations [e.g. Rapa Nui rather than Rapanui] then one has to express contempt for these efforts at touting the joys of primitivism. Further, all of the chatter and nittering takes place without a single mention of CONADI (with respect to Chile) then one has to wonder what the purpose of all this esperpentism.


It is the international communism that has to put theirs employees to work in something.

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Given the fact that by 1877 there were but 110 surviving islanders and that since 1888 (the date of formal Chilean acquisition) the island's population numbers have risen to over 5,000, one can hardly be describing imperialist despoiliation by ruthless Chileans. Keeping in mind that in 1934, the indigeneous population was but 456, there are very few inhabitants that might assert a pure Polynesian ancestry. Wonder what Carch would say about the preservation of "identity" as the work of Capucin friars and the Church?


The sad part is that the destruction of Easter Island's identity happened BEFORE Chileans arrived. The major impact were the Peruvian slave rides, which exterminated circa 80% of the native population. By the times Chileans took the Island, the population was very few and was sick. Since, the priest and the Chileans have collaborated in an effort to save as much of the local culture as possible. For instance, the palms of the island were brought from abroad, lots of Chilean scollars have helped to preserve ancient legends, music and custums. Even more, the Polynesians are the favorite native culture in the mainland.

The local culture is so strong that continentals that move to live there usually learn the local Polynesian dialect! And in every single school mainland the dances of Eastern Island are usually celebrated in the official ceremonies. An example from a military band!!! LOL

Watch this video carefully, bSizeecause it is the image that Chile projects abroad.

Start at 1 minute 30 seconds!







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Is it a Scandanavian disease, this effort to invent "natives" despite the fault-lines of history? Perhaps a little "science" will educate both Carch and Whalebreath (who, by the way, had better not desire a comparison of passports with regard to Pacific travel).


Perhaps is just envy. After all, even Denmark has colonies, but Sweden?
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Originally posted by Styrbiorn Styrbiorn wrote:

The Easter Island was unpopulated when the Polynesians arrived and the current population of the Falklands are native to the islands.


The first statement is true. The second is false.

Originally posted by Styrbiorn Styrbiorn wrote:

As for the last sentence: you still think Chilean imperialism is ok, but when other does it it's evil imperialism. LOL 


Easter Island is not a colony. It is part of Chile, as much as Alaska and Hawaii are part of the U.S. or Greenland part of Denmark.

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It is at least a Swedish disease to take anything the UN says as Holy Dogma (in this case the ILO convection, I guess) and then press the issue in question through a black-and-white filter.


I bet you are working hard to stop women explotation, then, combating the porn film industry.


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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Originally posted by Styrbiorn Styrbiorn wrote:

The Easter Island was unpopulated when the Polynesians arrived and the current population of the Falklands are native to the islands.


The first statement is true. The second is false.
Of course they are native, according to any accepted definition of the word.
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As for the last sentence: you still think Chilean imperialism is ok, but when other does it it's evil imperialism. LOL 


Easter Island is not a colony. It is part of Chile, as much as Alaska and Hawaii are part of the U.S. or Greenland part of Denmark.

Imperialism is not about colonies, it's about taking other people's lands. The Northern and Southern parts of Chile is clear examples of this, as is the Easter island (and Greenland for that matter).

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Still buying the porn myth, are we? 




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There is not better way to get rid of the "Latin shanty-town culture" stereotype, and others stereotypes about us, that stereotype back... That's the way it is.
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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Is it a Scandanavian disease, this effort to invent "natives" despite the fault-lines of history? Perhaps a little "science" will educate both Carch and Whalebreath (who, by the way, had better not desire a comparison of passports with regard to Pacific travel).
 
 
 
Well this paper seems to show that the rapa Nuians are getting more mixed. That is not so strange considering the massive influx of Chileans. As I said, Rapa Nuians are slowly being outbreed and outmixed.
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

There is not better way to get rid of the "Latin shanty-town culture" stereotype, and others stereotypes about us, that stereotype back... That's the way it is.
In other words, you're finally openly admitting you're no better than Carch in stereotyping. Thanks, finally some progress.


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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Baloney. As I said, start a campain for Denmark to free Greenland. You are closer there.

As I said, you are free to start threads about Denmark and Greenland or other places. This thread is about Eastern Island..

 

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Absolutely ignorant comment, given the fact Easter Islanders were a people in danger of extinction, full of illneses, like lepra and others, when the Chileans pacted with theirs chief the integration to Chile.

Actually if they had been left alone in the first place by the French, by Peruvians and by Chileans they would have survived. There are researchers that claim that they really were not so bad off before the Europeans came as sometimes stated, eventhough they ofcourse had problems with their environment and with their society.

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

With respect to "Latino slum culture" it just shows yours ignorance on ours region, and also about the living conditions of the poors in yours own country.

The Latino mass culture often results in slum, powerty, disease, criminality, prostitution, alcoholism, drug abuse, mental unheatlth and societal disintegration when it hits the indigenous peoples.

 

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

There is not a Rapa Nuia population. Rapa Nui is a name invented by Tahitians and Hawaiians, and it was introduced by the priests to the island . The name of the island is Te-Pito-Oh-Te-henua, and means the navel of the world. Even more, the name of the island today is Eastern Island or Isla de Pascua, and the Islanders are known here as Pascuenses

Now, yours conspiration theory is just BS.

One can play with word, but the fact remains that the indigenous people on Easter Island gets more and more displeased with Chilean colonial rule.

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Required corrections to the above distensions:
 
Rapanui: A term used by linguists to identify the glottochronology of the Polynesian dialect peculiar to the island. It was not "introduced" by priests but instead by the laborers indentured from Tahiti by 19th century venture capitalists. Anyway, with respect to language and names, specially with political overtones, "Te Pito 'o Te Henua" simply means navel of land and everything comprising a sense of political wonderment is little more than contemporary fabrication.
 
"Latino Slum Culture" a misnomer for the consequences of ill-thought national industrial policies generated by the centralization policies of many a Latin American state in their neglect of sound agrarian policies while pursuing "modernization". Like the "slums" generated by external migrations in the 19th century Americas, such are the product of internal migrations generated by economic need.
 
As for Easter Islanders no amount of jabber will cloud the fact that by 1877 there were only 110 native islanders direcly descendant from the original inhabitants. All else is propaganda as found on this Internet web site:
 
 
It at least is honest in admitting that its interest is "a world of constructed cultures that continues to be developed by dozens of people. It began with Brithenig, a language constructed by Andrew Smith back in 1997 (Ill Bethisad).  
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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

"Latino Slum Culture" a misnomer for the consequences of ill-thought national industrial policies generated by the centralization policies of many a Latin American state in their neglect of sound agrarian policies while pursuing "modernization". Like the "slums" generated by external migrations in the 19th century Americas, such are the product of internal migrations generated by economic need.
 
Latino slum culture in a material sense is mostly followed also by cultural, and shall we call it spiritual deteroiration when traditional, and well adapted values, ideologies and cultural expressions  are replaced by a hodge podge Latino massculture with no real meaning, no real sense and no real substance. Creativity and participation in economic, societal and cultural activities are replaced by the passive consumption of commercial crap and loss of control to corrupt authorities and opressive ideological institutions (as for example the catholic church or other missionary enterprises).  Meaningfulness are replaced by meaninglessness, mental health by mental illness.
 
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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

"Latino Slum Culture" a misnomer for the consequences of ill-thought national industrial policies generated by the centralization policies of many a Latin American state in their neglect of sound agrarian policies while pursuing "modernization". Like the "slums" generated by external migrations in the 19th century Americas, such are the product of internal migrations generated by economic need.
 
Latino slum culture in a material sense is mostly followed also by cultural, and shall we call it spiritual deteroiration when traditional, and well adapted values, ideologies and cultural expressions  are replaced by a hodge podge Latino massculture with no real meaning, no real sense and no real substance. Creativity and participation in economic, societal and cultural activities are replaced by the passive consumption of commercial crap and loss of control to corrupt authorities and opressive ideological institutions (as for example the catholic church or other missionary enterprises).  Meaningfulness are replaced by meaninglessness, mental health by mental illness.
 
 
To put it kindly that's a lot of crap and more descriptive of the "youth culture" of Sweden adrift from all ethical and moral values while determined to shape phantasmagoric causes so as to give their material existence some sort of meaning. How's that for a retort to your nonsense.
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Well this paper seems to show that the rapa Nuians are getting more mixed. That is not so strange considering the massive influx of Chileans. As I said, Rapa Nuians are slowly being outbreed and outmixed.


Outbreed? That's a very sad word. Continentals that move to Easter Island usually addapt local customs and even learn the language of the Island. Now, you shouldn't use the term Chilean to differentiate between Continentals and Easterners, because both are Chileans, which is a fact that the Islanders recognize as well. They call us "continentals" and we call them "islanders" or "Easterners" and that is it.
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As I said, you are free to start threads about Denmark and Greenland or other places. This thread is about Eastern Island..

But Easter Island is Chilean, and not yours. Wink

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Actually if they had been left alone in the first place by the French, by Peruvians and by Chileans they would have survived. There are researchers that claim that they really were not so bad off before the Europeans came as sometimes stated, eventhough they ofcourse had problems with their environment and with their society.

After the state they were left by the Peruvian slave riders and the infectious diseases they carried from Peru when some were returned back, I doubt it. The Easter Island people was in a serious risk of extinction when Chile annexed it, and our country has expend a lot for a long time in the Island, because it deserves it.

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The Latino mass culture often results in slum, powerty, disease, criminality, prostitution, alcoholism, drug abuse, mental unheatlth and societal disintegration when it hits the indigenous peoples.
 


Talk me about STEREOTYPING. You, ridiculous fanatic.

Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

One can play with word, but the fact remains that the indigenous people on Easter Island gets more and more displeased with Chilean colonial rule.

That was just to show how ignorant is yourself about this topic.


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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

There is not better way to get rid of the "Latin shanty-town culture" stereotype, and others stereotypes about us, that stereotype back... That's the way it is.
In other words, you're finally openly admitting you're no better than Carch in stereotyping. Thanks, finally some progress.


Sure. But I could bet I am better than him in that game.Wink
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Required corrections to the above distensions:
 
Rapanui: A term used by linguists to identify the glottochronology of the Polynesian dialect peculiar to the island. It was not "introduced" by priests but instead by the laborers indentured from Tahiti by 19th century venture capitalists. Anyway, with respect to language and names, specially with political overtones, "Te Pito 'o Te Henua" simply means navel of land and everything comprising a sense of political wonderment is little more than contemporary fabrication.
 
"Latino Slum Culture" a misnomer for the consequences of ill-thought national industrial policies generated by the centralization policies of many a Latin American state in their neglect of sound agrarian policies while pursuing "modernization". Like the "slums" generated by external migrations in the 19th century Americas, such are the product of internal migrations generated by economic need.
 
As for Easter Islanders no amount of jabber will cloud the fact that by 1877 there were only 110 native islanders direcly descendant from the original inhabitants. All else is propaganda as found on this Internet web site:
 
 
It at least is honest in admitting that its interest is "a world of constructed cultures that continues to be developed by dozens of people. It began with Brithenig, a language constructed by Andrew Smith back in 1997 (Ill Bethisad).  


Pretty good, Doc. I can cosign that. Clap
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Continentals that move to Easter Island usually addapt local customs and even learn the language of the Island. Now, you shouldn't use the term Chilean to differentiate between Continentals and Easterners, because both are Chileans, which is a fact that the Islanders recognize as well. They call us "continentals" and we call them "islanders" or "Easterners" and that is it.
 
Eastern islanders may belong to Chile politically, but they are really Easter islanders or polynesians. Chileans is not Easter islanders, they are just invaders.
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

But Easter Island is Chilean, and not yours. 

 

Easter island belongs to the polynesian aboriginal population. Chileans are just invaders that have no real business there.

 

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

After the state they were left by the Peruvian slave riders and the infectious diseases they carried from Peru when some were returned back, I doubt it. The Easter Island people was in a serious risk of extinction when Chile annexed it, and our country has expend a lot for a long time in the Island, because it deserves it.

If they would have been left alone they would probably survived and recovered. Then they would still be masters of their own land and had their own culture. Now they are slowly succumbing under the influence of Latino mass culture.

 

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The Latino mass culture often results in slum, powerty, disease, criminality, prostitution, alcoholism, drug abuse, mental unheatlth and societal disintegration when it hits the indigenous peoples.
 

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Talk me about STEREOTYPING. You, ridiculous fanatic.

 

Just look at your continent and what have happened to so many indigenous peoples that have been overrun by the latino massculture and its desructive influence.

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To put it kindly that's a lot of crap and more descriptive of the "youth culture" of Sweden adrift from all ethical and moral values while determined to shape phantasmagoric causes so as to give their material existence some sort of meaning. How's that for a retort to your nonsense.
 
Just take a look at the situation of many indigenous peoples in Latin America and see for yourself how they have been destroyed by the impact of the Latino hodge podge culture.
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Easter island belongs to the polynesian aboriginal population. Chileans are just invaders that have no real business there.


You have no business outside Sweden. Who do you believe you are, the Mesiah? LOL

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If they would have been left alone they would probably survived and recovered.

False. Without vaccination they most likely wouldn't survive

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Then they would still be masters of their own land and had their own culture. Now they are slowly succumbing under the influence of Latino mass culture.

They are Chileans. We don't have a Latino mass culture, anyways, not more than Swedish people are Russians.

 

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Just look at your continent and what have happened to so many indigenous peoples that have been overrun by the latino massculture and its desructive influence.


Look at yours Europe instead, with people that don't reproduce, because preffer the easy living, and that import people to replace them. A continent of senior citizens that hate babies. What more evil than that.


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Just take a look at the situation of many indigenous peoples in Latin America and see for yourself how they have been destroyed by the impact of the Latino hodge podge culture.


You speak pure baloney. You wouldn't distinguish an Indian from a non-Indian, even if stand at front of you.











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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

False. Without vaccination they most likely wouldn't survive

So if Chileans may have happened to  save some lives does that mean that the Rapa Nui must pay for that with their land and with their freedom for all eternity?

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

They are Chileans. We don't have a Latino mass culture, anyways, not more than Swedish people are Russians.

 They formally belong to Chile because Chileans have forced themselves upon them. In reality they are  Polynesians, belonging to a Polynesian culture. So Chile have no real business on their island.

 

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Look at yours Europe instead, with people that don't reproduce, because preffer the easy living, and that import people to replace them. A continent of senior citizens that hate babies. What more evil than that.

Europe reproduce enough to manage rather fine. Still EU countries have better economy and standards of living than most places in Latin America.


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You speak pure baloney. You wouldn't distinguish an Indian from a non-Indian, even if stand at front of you.

Actually I have several native American contacts who can tell about the hardships they have encountered in their meetings with the Latino mass culture.

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Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

So if Chileans may have happened to  save some lives does that mean that the Rapa Nui must pay for that with their land and with their freedom for all eternity?

They are free, and they own theirs land. Do you want to make an independent country of 2000 people?

Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

 They formally belong to Chile because Chileans have forced themselves upon them. In reality they are  Polynesians, belonging to a Polynesian culture. So Chile have no real business on their island.


False. There wasn't force involved here, at least not with Chile. There was a treaty. The relation between Easterners and continentals have been quite different than the relation with other native peoples.

 

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Europe reproduce enough to manage rather fine. Still EU countries have better economy and standards of living than most places in Latin America.

Sure, you have a better economy based on borrowing. I wonder how long will last.

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Actually I have several native American contacts who can tell about the hardships they have encountered in their meetings with the Latino mass culture.



Unlike yours friends, that you carefully collect, not all Indigenous peoples are losers,
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

They are free, and they own theirs land. Do you want to make an independent country of 2000 people?

You can hardly call them free while their country is still occupied by Chileans. At least Chile should give back all land to the indigenous population and give them a much higher degree of self governing.

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

False. There wasn't force involved here, at least not with Chile. There was a treaty. The relation between Easterners and continentals have been quite different than the relation with other native peoples.

 

Ofcourse it was and still is.

And there are indeed Rapa Nuians that want to get rid of all these Chileans that have imposed themselves upon them and annected their land.
 

 

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Unlike yours friends, that you carefully collect, not all Indigenous peoples are losers,

Well, many have lost their land and got their culture ripped apart because they were overwhelmed by the Latino hodge podge robber culture that still celebrates its roots in banditry and medieval catholic superstition. Disgusting!

 

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