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You are correct that Perseus killed Medusa, my mistake.

There is something for certain mind set that denies that homosexual behavior is homosexual.  For example, in prisons you have homosexual behavior, but the prisoners in those kind of relationships, deny that they are homosexual.  At the very least, they should be 'defined' as bisexual, but no women are around.  I imagine that it is the same thing in Pakistan, it is not defined as homosexual, it is just defined as being virile, top dog, so to speak.  It is predatory, and if they thought about it, it would be homosexual behavior.  As homosexual behavior it probably _should_ be prohibited by the Koran, and is probably something that radicals could get upset about (I'm not that familiar with the Koran).  Of course, they are probably ready to be offended, but the predatory behavior, whether homosexual or not, is what they really should be offended about.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

You are correct that Perseus killed Medusa, my mistake.

There is something for certain mind set that denies that homosexual behavior is homosexual.  For example, in prisons you have homosexual behavior, but the prisoners in those kind of relationships, deny that they are homosexual.  At the very least, they should be 'defined' as bisexual, but no women are around.  I imagine that it is the same thing in Pakistan, it is not defined as homosexual, it is just defined as being virile, top dog, so to speak.  It is predatory, and if they thought about it, it would be homosexual behavior.  As homosexual behavior it probably _should_ be prohibited by the Koran, and is probably something that radicals could get upset about (I'm not that familiar with the Koran).  Of course, they are probably ready to be offended, but the predatory behavior, whether homosexual or not, is what they really should be offended about.

And this has what to do with world terrorism?
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You don't see a connection with the state of the world, the terrorism, and the conditions that exist in places like Pakistan? 
Why? 
Why? are they running off to fight with ISIS?

The police are too busy looking for terrorists to investigate civilian crime. These men admit that they rape boys bc they believe they have to tell the truth. A woman is not something that can be seen in public so "what are we supposed to do about our desires?" quoting men in the film. 

Entire generations of people are being so screwed up, made so angry and deviant it's like a physic doom cloud over the whole world. 
In WW2 average citizens didn't see US Marines dead until Tarawa 1943. Seeing it changed people.
We see murder and carnage all over the world constantly and its causing global mental illness. 
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Quote So caldrail, how does a suspect go from general suspect to specific person of interest, or whatever it would be called?  What makes the deeds of the suspect actionable?
it's a matter of security or criminal intelligence. From known active persons the security forces learn who they associate with, where they go, who they communicate with. Until removed from their enquiries, possible suspects are then added to the list of potential enquiries, with follow up investigation begun according to their criteria of perceived risk or importance.
 
I once got annoyed with the idiot across the desk at my local job centre and when he asked about what I needed to get a job, I made an ill advised comment about needing a shotgun. The bloke actually took me seriously and two weeks later another advisor asked me about proceeding with the forms for it. Really? I told her the weapon licensing was not required. Job done. Six months later I had two plain clothes policemen - politely I might add - come to me door and ask firmly about my attempt to obtain weapons. WHAT!!!! Anyway they listened to my explanation and appeared to have accepted it. But - and I say this advisedly - that would not necessarily remove me from a list of possible suspects thus future enquiries might bring up the issue again.
 
In fact, I once received a phone call from the Police asking where Mr Zaqawi was. No-one by that name at this address. Later I discovered Zaqawi was a terrorist who had been killed by the Americans. The reason my name came up was because I had often written on the internet criticising Christianity and thus my name - and eventually, my phone number - had gotten on to someone's computer and quite possibly Mr Zaqawi's, which was recovered by special forces. I doubt I have anything to worry about though it would explain some strange phone calls I received previously. But is my name scrubbed off someone's list? I doubt that too.
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Once your details have been entered into the computers at Special Branch, MI5 MI6 etc, you're toast.

If some noseybody in the future calls the police to complain of late night visitors to your home, guess what?

But,what's the old saying, "The price of peace is eternal vigilance"? (Is that correct wording?)
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Quote Once your details have been entered into the computers at Special Branch, MI5 MI6 etc, you're toast.
Not true. There is an independent organisation that collates data about extremist connections that can hurt your employment opportunities, but Britain's intelligence community are not the stuff of modern Hollywood spy thrillers. They are primarily information gatherers and leave active interdiction of terrorists to more public agencies. If MI5 (MI6 deals with offshore stuff) has your name you would graded according to risk, such as connections, activity, previous records and such, and watched accordingly. There's little to worry about. After all, Britain has 25% of the world's CCTV cameras as it is.
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Originally posted by caldrail caldrail wrote:

Quote Once your details have been entered into the computers at Special Branch, MI5 MI6 etc, you're toast.
Not true. There is an independent organisation that collates data about extremist connections that can hurt your employment opportunities, but Britain's intelligence community are not the stuff of modern Hollywood spy thrillers. They are primarily information gatherers and leave active interdiction of terrorists to more public agencies. If MI5 (MI6 deals with offshore stuff) has your name you would graded according to risk, such as connections, activity, previous records and such, and watched accordingly. There's little to worry about. After all, Britain has 25% of the world's CCTV cameras as it is.

It's also had the most terrorist attacks this year, and the police have succeeded in arresting the offenders in most cases.

I know the roles of the various agencies, SIS, MI5 and so on, also that the British police still have very active Special Branch, and other groups with terrorist focus.

If you think for one moment, after you have been identified as a suspect, you're not being watched, you must be kidding.


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Depends on what you mean by suspect.  Do you mean person of interest?  I am sure there are more categories than just suspect or non-suspect.  And frankly, they don't have enough manpower to watch everybody.  They have to prioritize, and it seems often they knew who a suspect was before an incident, but they did not have him, or no longer had him under surveillance.   And of course, there is more than one way of surveillance, electronic, wiretap (phone), or visual.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

Depends on what you mean by suspect.  Do you mean person of interest?  I am sure there are more categories than just suspect or non-suspect.  And frankly, they don't have enough manpower to watch everybody.  They have to prioritize, and it seems often they knew who a suspect was before an incident, but they did not have him, or no longer had him under surveillance.   And of course, there is more than one way of surveillance, electronic, wiretap (phone), or visual.

Yes, "Suspect" = "Person of Interest".

I agree, there are not sufficient resources anywhere to monitor all peosons of interest.

Yes, of course the various agencies must prioritise.

Surviellance, these days, as you would know, ranges from "Optical Viewer Mk 1" (eyeball) through electronics to satellites, and of course people of interest could always be monitored by street cameras, as in the UK.

My comment was indicative, not factual, and a "Person of Interest" falls into that category in many ways-often reports by neighbours of "suspicious" activity.

The various agencies, IMO, do a fantastic job in apprehending as many criminals of this type that they do.

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If you think for one moment, after you have been identified as a suspect, you're not being watched, you must be kidding.
LOL. In Britain you're almost certainly being watched by CCTV somewhere other than the wilds and countryside. That doesn't mean active viewing of course. Footage is mostly archived unless actually required, though some locations will be inherently more important for whatever reason and thus CCTV operators will be watching up to 24hr. As I said, suspects are graded according to security risk and observation is applied accordingly. Note how many times a terrorist causes mayhem only for the news media to report that the culprit was 'known to the Police'.
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A suspect is a person of interest, but not all persons of interest are suspects (I suspect), a witness can be a person of interest.  A potential victim could be a person of interest.  There might be other cases where a non-suspect would be a person of interest, again, or so I suspect;)

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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

A suspect is a person of interest, but not all persons of interest are suspects (I suspect), a witness can be a person of interest.  A potential victim could be a person of interest.  There might be other cases where a non-suspect would be a person of interest, again, or so I suspect;)


The term "Person of Interest" is police talk for suspect,  or maybe even a known offender.

A witness is called a witness and victims are victims.

It's not all that hard to understand.
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Then why don't they call it, "suspect"?  Police seem to be very careful about what they say.
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toyomotorI also thought there was a distinction between "person of interest" and "suspect."  As in a person of interest hasn't been fully vetted but a suspect may have a physical connection* to the crime or association with the victim that is known to the police. And I thought only suspects were interrogated in while in police custody.

Must be crime TV- Mis Leading & Mis Information, two recurring roles.


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Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:

toyomotorI also thought there was a distinction between "person of interest" and "suspect."  As in a person of interest hasn't been fully vetted but a suspect may have a physical connection* to the crime or association with the victim that is known to the police. And I thought only suspects were interrogated in while in police custody.

Must be crime TV- Mis Leading & Mis Information, two recurring roles.

May be a difference in usage of the term between the two countries.

A Person of Interest is a person to whom the police would like to speak or whom they're investigating in relation to a crime or an offence. They would normally be a suspect, but also could be someone otherwise connected to the crime.

Also, use of the term "interrogate" infers hostile questioning, forceful and formal, while the word "interview" can mean anyone from witnesses to suspects. For example, if you witness a car crash, you could be interviewed by the police.

We don't use the word "interrogate" in Australia, everyone is interviewed and if they are important witnesses or suspects, they're normally interviewed in front of video cameras and recorders. Minor or lesser witnesses would normally be interviewed one on one and a written statement obtained, which the witness signs.

TV programs are made to entertain, and mostly don't show how things are really done. The exception, in my experience, is British crime fiction programs which follow reality very closely.



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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:

toyomotorI also thought there was a distinction between "person of interest" and "suspect."  As in a person of interest hasn't been fully vetted but a suspect may have a physical connection* to the crime or association with the victim that is known to the police. And I thought only suspects were interrogated in while in police custody.

Must be crime TV- Mis Leading & Mis Information, two recurring roles.

May be a difference in usage of the term between the two countries.

A Person of Interest is a person to whom the police would like to speak or whom they're investigating in relation to a crime or an offence. They would normally be a suspect, but also could be someone otherwise connected to the crime.

Also, use of the term "interrogate" infers hostile questioning, forceful and formal, while the word "interview" can mean anyone from witnesses to suspects. For example, if you witness a car crash, you could be interviewed by the police.

We don't use the word "interrogate" in Australia, everyone is interviewed and if they are important witnesses or suspects, they're normally interviewed in front of video cameras and recorders. Minor or lesser witnesses would normally be interviewed one on one and a written statement obtained, which the witness signs.

TV programs are made to entertain, and mostly don't show how things are really done. The exception, in my experience, is British crime fiction programs which follow reality very closely.




Both US & British Crime stories dig in deep bc they know the viewer is smart. The standard is pretty high in film & TV.

US series Law & Order has been on for about 20 years and similar crime/police shows also have amazing longevity. The society may be a bit obsessed with crime & punishment.

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Quote Both US & British Crime stories dig in deep bc they know the viewer is smart. The standard is pretty high in film & TV.

The thing I like about British crime programs is that the police sometimes lose, as in real life. Characters are displayed, warts'n'all, as is their impact on the investigations.

From my perspective, also, they are more realistic and understandable bc our laws and systems are very similar.

I wish, in real life, we had the CCTV resources that the large British cities have, it would make life so much easier for the police.

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Is there Marshal Law in UK?

Is it FAKE News?
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Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:

Is there Marshal Law in UK?

Is it FAKE News?

Where did this come from? What does it relate to?

England, unlike the USA and Australia, doesn't have states, as such.

Therefore, use of Armed Forces to quell civil disturbances or to assist the civil authority in other circumstances, is quite easy. Northern Ireland could be a case in point.

AFAIK, no Marshall Law has been declared in the UK at this time, all I've seen on TV news is armed police.

FAKE News? where? why? how?

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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:

Is there Marshal Law in UK?

Is it FAKE News?

Where did this come from? What does it relate to?

England, unlike the USA and Australia, doesn't have states, as such.

Therefore, use of Armed Forces to quell civil disturbances or to assist the civil authority in other circumstances, is quite easy. Northern Ireland could be a case in point.

AFAIK, no Marshall Law has been declared in the UK at this time, all I've seen on TV news is armed police.

FAKE News? where? why? how?





I'm not sure about the source, I saw that UK initiated Marshall Law on Twitter feed @InfoWars
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Supposedly started after the Manchester attack. This is the report from the Daily Mail at the time of Manchester shootings.

"Troops are to be deployed onto Britain's streets amid fears a further terror attack 'may be imminent', the Prime Minister has announced.

Theresa May revealed the move less than 24 hours after the bomb attack at a teen concert in Manchester, which left 22 dead and 59 injured.

The Prime Minister confirmed the identity of the Manchester suicide bomber as 22-year-old Salman Abedi, a Mancunian of Libyan descent.

But intelligence agencies fear he may not have acted alone - leaving open the possibility of an active Islamist terror cell on the loose.

Britain's Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre last night raised the terror threat level to 'critical', its highest level. 

The threat level has only been raised to 'critical' twice since the system was introduced on August 1, 2006. "



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This is from an alternative news source that is calling the deployment of 5000 troops in London a false flag event. Basically saying UK and world elites are using terror to reign people in restrict freedom but make it seem like it was the will of the people.

Prime Minister Theresa May has escalated the threat level to critical, and the word on the streets of Westminster is that ISIS have the capacity to launch a devastating dirty bomb, mobile nuclear device, or even a chemical attack on British soil.

The devastating fallout of this next level terror attack will provide the elites with the excuse they need to assume total control of the United Kingdom. Whether the major disaster will be a genuine one or a manufactured one will not matter.

The public will be terrorized and will submit to the control of the central power. They will beg and demand to have their hard-won liberties taken away. They will give up freedom for the false perception of safety.

Listen to this kid from London youtube posted September 16



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I read the on-line BBC News on a regular basis and I haven't seen a Declaration of Martial Law.

What has happened is that the Army has been mobilised to assist police on security patrols in various public places where large numbers of people congregate.

I think all the Martial Law hype is just that, media hype. It sells newspapers but does nothing to make the population feel safer.

As I said earlier, having a Federalist government, the UK can utilise it's Armed Forces in this manner quite easily.



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Looking at the terrorism problem overall, a prominent Radio Jock in Australia some years ago said, 

Quote "Every terrorist is a Muslim, but not every Muslim is a terrorist." (John Laws)

Well he may not be 100% correct, but he's pretty close to the mark I think.

Sometimes I compare the strict Muslim countries with Europe in about the 1300 to 1500's.

It's all about diffence in religeous opinion, much in the same way as Catholics versus Protestants. Sunni V Sh'ia.

But their tactics to date have earned them nothing more than international condemnation and villification.

Why do they persist?


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Fareed Zaccaria who has a show on CNN or MSNBC or something, compares what is going on right now in the muslim world to the Reformation, in other words, they are in their Reformation.  I don't know about others, but Timothy McVeigh and the Weather Underground where indigenous American terrorist groups.  In the 1960s-80s, you had the Red Army Faction in Germany, the Red Brigade in Italy, Communist terrorist organizations supported by sympathizers nicknamed the Velvet Underground (fellow travelers, but didn't want to do the dirty work).  One might compare the support of Saudis in America for the 9/11 terrorists to the Velvet Underground.  I think President McKinley was assassinated by an anarchist, which allowed Teddy Roosevelt to assume the Presidency.  Terrorism in one form or another goes back quite a ways in American and European society, I don't know about Australia.  This Muslim twist is just that, a twist on an old theme (and twisted too).  Part of it is oppressive regimes in Muslim countries, people are disenchanted, and religion is the only legitimate response (can't stop people gathering at a mosque), and the regimes try to refocus discontentment externally on the Western world.
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Quote Terrorism in one form or another goes back quite a ways in American and European society, I don't know about Australia.

By comparison with the US and Europe, we've had only very minor terrorism activity in Australia.

Back in the 60's or 70's, the Ushtasha conducted a number of bombings, the bombing of the Hilton Hotel was attributed to the Hare Krishna, curiously, and the bomber convicted. There have been other incidents, but nothing on the scale of the current European Campaign.

Basically, we're a very laid back society, irreverant and fun loving. Famous for our liking of an occasional cleansing ale (or two).

That people whom we have accepted as refugees, or their children, are now travelling to the Middle East to line up with ISIS is against everything we stand for. The government has introduced laws to prevent these people travelling overseas to join terrorist organisations. Personally, I'd like to see them leave and then immediately tear up their visas or citizenship papers.
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Looking at the terrorism problem overall, a prominent Radio Jock in Australia some years ago said, 

Quote "Every terrorist is a Muslim, but not every Muslim is a terrorist." (John Laws)

Well he may not be 100% correct, but he's pretty close to the mark I think.

Sometimes I compare the strict Muslim countries with Europe in about the 1300 to 1500's.

It's all about diffence in religeous opinion, much in the same way as Catholics versus Protestants. Sunni V Sh'ia.

But their tactics to date have earned them nothing more than international condemnation and villification.

Why do they persist?
Exactly, that's why I wonder out loud- what is the political reason behind it? World dominance or mass destruction is what they are hell bent on.

It is like Protestant v Catholic thinking of 15/16 century. Lucky they didn't have nukes.
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Quote Exactly, that's why I wonder out loud- what is the political reason behind it? World dominance or mass destruction is what they are hell bent on.

Somehow, I don't think that there is a political goal, at least not a common goal, shared by the various Islamic terrorist groups.

I often think it's more like,"Hey look at me, come and join us and kill some people."

During the Viet Nam War, there was a T Shirt which was emblazoned
Quote Join the Army, travel to distant exotic lands, meet new and exciting people, and kill them!

Change "Army" to "ISIS", and there you have it. 
I often wonder why I try.
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They want to re-establish the Caliphate, although I am not sure which version the Sunni or the Shiite, or maybe it is the pre-split Caliphate, the "good ol' days," which admittedly was a golden age especially compared to what was happening in Europe in, about the 800s?  They probably blame the Crusades for things going downhill, but perhaps the energy and initiative had been declining before that.  Oh, and don't forget the "enthusiasm" for Sharia law.  It may have at one time been a step up from the pre-Islamic Arab tribal law, but not so much today.  When problems are pointed out, the fans doubledown in their adolescent fantasies.

For ISIL or Dash or whatever, I think its the combination that everything is someone else's fault, which means anything you do, is justified as a fitting response to Others, the infidel, whatever and there are no limits.  I think part of it is Arabic tribalism, not "my tribe right or wrong," but my tribe without the possibility of being wrong, except now it is Dash or Al Quada, instead of particular tribes.  The world is getting complex, and there is a desire for simpler times of when things where clear, or so they think.

I think it is also a bit of the cult of Assassin, which is heretical for Islam, but part of the adolescent fantasy.  There is a desire to be a warrior, which is funny since Arab armies are generally pretty poor. 


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I don't disagree with what you've written, but killing thousands of fellow Muslims is surely not the way to go, and killing innocents abroad, in Europe etc. only strengthens the west's opposition to their policies.

I often wonder if western colonial  powers hadn't interfered with their boundaries 150 odd years ago, would there still be this problem?
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Al Quada and Dash have policies???? Confused  I thought they only had grand standing and whining.

What boundaries are you talking about, I mean the ones that were interfered with?  I think that the Western colonial powers _established_ the boundaries without much reference to territorial areas of influence.  But equally problematic was Woodrow Wilson's advocation of ethnic self-determination which served as the basis for, "we can't live with you anymore, because you are different."  Austrian-Hungary Empire and Ottoman Empire, weren't perfect, but one had diverse ethnic groups living under one mantel, but now everybody is supposed to have their own nation, even though people are often mixed together.  And then one has the ethnic cleansing, so so-and-so can have their god promised homeland.
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