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I am not simply wrong, I may be complexly wrong, but I definitely am not simply wrong.

There always is a cost/benefit analysis.  Either it is overt, or it is tacit. There are limits to everything.  That is what bureaucracies are for.  A police commissioner has to decide where to dedicate resources, and manpower for the purpose of trying to get justice.  If you spend all your money on shoplifting, you might not have enough for serious crimes, but if you don't contribute money to jaywalking, the increasing friction and havoc in society might contribute to more serious crimes.

Did I say "ban media reporting."?  Individuals and the press have rights, but in carrying out those rights, they also have a responsibility.  But unfortunately in pursuing a story, it is not their rights and responsibilities they are concerned with, but the pursuit of the all mighty dollar.  Principles go by the wayside as it is a race to the bottom.  Or rather, they have principles when they want to have principles, which injures the credibility when they should be trusted on matters such as Trump.  They should generally be trusted on Trump.  That is not to say they are not bias, but they are pretty honest, and upfront about their rocky relationship with him.  He is the one who makes it that way, keeping them back on their heels.  But, in any case, their highlight on violence makes it appear to radicals that violence is the answer.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote toyomotor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Jun 2017 at 12:09
Again, you're simply wrong!
It's not Chicken Little and there's no requirement for a cost/benefit analysis. We're talking about human lives, about whole communities.

I agree to a certain extent that media coverage could be adding fuel to the fire, but in a democracy, you can't ban media reporting.


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You probably have more chance of slipping in your bathtub and dying from that, then you have of dying in a terrorist attack in the first world.  But if you want to go all chicken little, the sky is falling, over attacks, you can.  I recognize the limitations of the police, and as far as a cost/benefit analysis, I recognize that they are not able to stop everything.  But that its just adding to the list of things that they cannot stop, but to some degree manage.  If the media would stop adding oxygen to these various fires, they might burn out more quickly, and hurt less.  But anybody who wants the media to give them eternal fame (infamy) can do so by committing assorted mayhem. No news is good news, which means that the good doesn't sell, whereas if it bleeds it leads.
Why in the h... should I tell you how police can stop all attacks, did you read my previous post?  If you want to ring your hands about how all can be stopped and all radicalized identified, you should join Donald Trump, he thinks it can be done, I don't.  Maximize the good, minimize the bad, hope that it is enough to cut down the use of terrorism (in this case by some radicalized muslims) to a slow trickle.  But terrorists are motivated by the same kind of media attention that serial killer's get.  It is not only a problem with terrorists basking in the sun, but other criminals as well.

If people, when they heard about a terrorist event, would turn off the radio or the TV, which after all is going to go on and on about it ad nauseum for the next day.  If people would turn it off until it calmed down, maybe the media outlets would have less motivation to endlessly regurgitate the report.
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Tell me please, how can the police stop all of the attacks?

Prevent some, definately.

How can the police identify all who are or may have become radicalised?

Again, some only.

The police and intelligence agencies do not, contrary to many beliefs, have all seeing, all knowing powers. They do not have the ability to tap every telephone in the world, or to intercept every piece of internet traffic. Some, yes.

In this matter, like many who have no law enforcement or intelligence agency background, you simplify what is a very complicated matter and point the finger directly at the police. The finger needs to pointed at each and every one of us to be more vigilant.


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The police are not powerless to stop the attacks.  The police are not able to stop all the attacks, but they do stop some, probably the majority of complicated attacks.  They can also do things to minimize the damage of the attacks.  I seem to recall that there were no attacks on US soil after 9/11 during the George W Bush administration.  There were elsewhere.  But the secret prisons and Git-mo worked to some extent.  Barack Obama's administration saw several homegrown terrorist inspired attacks in Boston, and San Bernadino.  But really, we place too much emphasis on terrorism, too much hype.  More people probably die in traffic accidents in a day than die in a year.  We do exactly what the terrorist want us to do, feed into the chicken little sky is falling attitude inspired by the press. 
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Almost daily, somewhere around the world, radical extremists attack innocent civilian populations by using suicide bombers or car bombs. In each case the areas targetted are high traffic areas with no regard to age or gender. Mass murder and carnage are the aims.

Police  and other agencies seem powerless to stop these attacks. Focusing on Europe for a moment, the random attacks have been attributed to radical Islamists, some of who have been "home grown", that is, they're second or third generation nationals of the country they target.

How do authorities identify who may be a radical Islamist from the many thousands of Muslims who have migrated to Europe over the decades following World War 2. Answer: They don't. Unless the individual publicly identifies with a radical organisation or particular individual known to the agencies, or at least suspected, how could they possibly identify them. The same scenario exists around the world, and while not all extremists are Muslim, the ones gaining the most attention for their murderous activities most certainly are.

So what is the answer? I don't know. Is it the prohibition of the residents of certain countries migrating to our country? Is it more extensive overseas checking of intended visitors and migrants? How to we guard against second, third or even later generations becoming radicalised, or ever christians converting to Islam and becoming radicalised.

Perhaps other members have some idea on how to deal with this problem.


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