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    Posted: 28 Jun 2012 at 10:05
Just curious on everyones opinion! LOL
PS: If you select other, say who it is please. Thanks!

Edited by Lao Tse - 09 Jul 2012 at 19:29
在財富的害處,而是一件好事永遠不持續。我在和平中仅居住在新的風下。 Wei Jia Hong No harm in wealth, but a good thing doesn't last forever. I live only among peace under
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I guess by worse you mean most cruel toward mankind?
Some of these leaders I actually held in a semi positive light, like George III, Xerxes and Vlaid Tepes
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Hi Lao, the worst in what way?
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Well, I mean the worst country leader, perhaps the most cruel to his/her people, maybe even the most cruel towards foriegn people.

Edited by Lao Tse - 28 Jun 2012 at 22:11
在財富的害處,而是一件好事永遠不持續。我在和平中仅居住在新的風下。 Wei Jia Hong No harm in wealth, but a good thing doesn't last forever. I live only among peace under
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I took the title to mean 'least successful' leader (i.e. worst at leadership, at attaining his goals given his resources) and came up with Nicholas II of Russia. 

'Worst' in the other sense involves too much subjectivity  for me to pick anyone.
 
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Originally posted by Lao Tse Lao Tse wrote:

Well, I mean the worst country leader, perhaps the most cruel to his/her people, maybe even the most cruel towards foriegn people.

Well, Vlad the Prince of Wallachia must be up there. 
 
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For out and out cruelty, Hitler surely rates the gold medal.
 
If we are discussing incompetence, George Bush 2 must rate in the top ten, in recent times anyway.
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Originally posted by Captain Vancouver Captain Vancouver wrote:

For out and out cruelty, Hitler surely rates the gold medal.
 
If we are discussing incompetence, George Bush 2 must rate in the top ten, in recent times anyway.
I agree with that.
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I would also have said GeorgeIII because he allowed the London Bedlam.
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Originally posted by Lao Tse Lao Tse wrote:

I would also have said GeorgeIII because he allowed the London Bedlam.
 
What? Hours of harmless entertainment for the masses paying a few coins to go watch the lunatics!
 
I think Bedlam was around before George III. Anyway he started Australia so he must have done something right.
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Originally posted by Captain Vancouver Captain Vancouver wrote:

For out and out cruelty, Hitler surely rates the gold medal.
 
If we are discussing incompetence, George Bush 2 must rate in the top ten, in recent times anyway.


That's really an unsubstantiated opinion, not yet tested by time. Might as well put  Jean Chretien and the current President Obama right up there with him.
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Originally posted by Birddog Birddog wrote:

Originally posted by Lao Tse Lao Tse wrote:

I would also have said GeorgeIII because he allowed the London Bedlam.
 
What? Hours of harmless entertainment for the masses paying a few coins to go watch the lunatics!
 
I think Bedlam was around before George III. Anyway he started Australia so he must have done something right.
 
I would agree with the good thing of Australia, but there were other entertainments from George the Third that were cruel, like the public hangings, granted in China, they had public beheadings, and even if the London Bedlam was around before George the third, he still also allowed it.
在財富的害處,而是一件好事永遠不持續。我在和平中仅居住在新的風下。 Wei Jia Hong No harm in wealth, but a good thing doesn't last forever. I live only among peace under
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Originally posted by Panther Panther wrote:

Originally posted by Captain Vancouver Captain Vancouver wrote:

For out and out cruelty, Hitler surely rates the gold medal.
 
If we are discussing incompetence, George Bush 2 must rate in the top ten, in recent times anyway.


That's really an unsubstantiated opinion, not yet tested by time. Might as well put  Jean Chretien and the current President Obama right up there with him.
 
Unsubstantiated in the case of Hitler......or Bush?
 
Seriously Mr P, I debate with myself at times whether you have a delightful sense of humour, or an exquisite sense of irony . Surely it is one of the two. Bush 2 drove the US, and much of the world economy, over a cliff during his eight years, and mired the US in not one, but two unwinable wars, from which it has had to retreat, tail between legs, in recent years. In between those events he pandered to corporate interests, and also those of the far right, and those of religious extremists, and God knows who else that showed up with a wheelbarrow full of money for the Republican Party. When he wasn't doing that, he was proving to the news media that he had trouble stringing together more than a few sentences, without tripping himself up, such was his expertise in the English language.
 
How much more time would you like for your test? If we see much more fallout from his administration, the point may be moot.
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Originally posted by Lao Tse Lao Tse wrote:

Originally posted by Birddog Birddog wrote:

Originally posted by Lao Tse Lao Tse wrote:

I would also have said GeorgeIII because he allowed the London Bedlam.
 
What? Hours of harmless entertainment for the masses paying a few coins to go watch the lunatics!
 
I think Bedlam was around before George III. Anyway he started Australia so he must have done something right.
 
I would agree with the good thing of Australia, but there were other entertainments from George the Third that were cruel, like the public hangings, granted in China, they had public beheadings, and even if the London Bedlam was around before George the third, he still also allowed it.
I do agree that going to watch the inmates at Bedlam was a cruel form of entertainment. I should have added a winky emoticon to my statement. Wink
 
Mind you, it was a cruel time, and Bedlam had been around for a long time before George came along. You might as well damn the American Founding Fathers for being slave owners. As for public hangings, name me one nation in Europe that didn't publicaly hang criminals. On the other side of the English channel the French were cutting off the heads of hundreds in the name of principles of equailty, citizenship and inalineable rights.
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True, the world wasn't exactly the happiest to live in.
在財富的害處,而是一件好事永遠不持續。我在和平中仅居住在新的風下。 Wei Jia Hong No harm in wealth, but a good thing doesn't last forever. I live only among peace under
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If we are going to the man whose rule resulted in the deaths of the greatest proportion of people, I nominate Genghis Khan. Pyramids of skulls were constructed in celebration of their victimisation of the class of people whom they reserved an especial disdain for: the peasantry. Who just so happened to make up the overwhelming bulk of the population.

And to salt the wound his soldiers destroyed the irrigation works of many of the nations they plundered, ensuring the population and the land would not recover its previous fruitfulness for centuries.

The terror this man and his soldiers inspired was otherworldly.

Originally posted by Ibn Al-Athir on a common account regarding the Mongols Ibn Al-Athir on a common account regarding the Mongols wrote:

I was going along a road, along with seventeen others. There we met a Tartar horseman, who bade us bind each others' hands. My companions began to do as he bade them, but I said "He is but one man, should we not kill him and flee?". Whereupon they said "We are afraid". I said, "This man intends to kill you immediately, let us therefore rather kill him, that God might deliver us". But I swear by God not one of them dared do this, so I took a knife and slew him, so we flew and escaped.




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Genghis Khan is certainly one of the most sucessful leaders in history. Building a pyramid of skulls takes great leadership skills.
 
 
My nominee for worlds worst leader is Captain William Bligh.
His skilled leadership resulted in not one, but two mutanies against his rule. He must've been a stirling and well respected commander to garnish such loyalty in his men.
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Originally posted by Captain Vancouver Captain Vancouver wrote:

Originally posted by Panther Panther wrote:

Originally posted by Captain Vancouver Captain Vancouver wrote:

For out and out cruelty, Hitler surely rates the gold medal.
 
If we are discussing incompetence, George Bush 2 must rate in the top ten, in recent times anyway.


That's really an unsubstantiated opinion, not yet tested by time. Might as well put  Jean Chretien and the current President Obama right up there with him.
 
Unsubstantiated in the case of Hitler......or Bush?
 
Seriously Mr P, I debate with myself at times whether you have a delightful sense of humour, or an exquisite sense of irony . Surely it is one of the two. Bush 2 drove the US, and much of the world economy, over a cliff during his eight years, and mired the US in not one, but two unwinable wars, from which it has had to retreat, tail between legs, in recent years. In between those events he pandered to corporate interests, and also those of the far right, and those of religious extremists, and God knows who else that showed up with a wheelbarrow full of money for the Republican Party. When he wasn't doing that, he was proving to the news media that he had trouble stringing together more than a few sentences, without tripping himself up, such was his expertise in the English language.
 


You know darn well whom i was referring too! Don't be so smugly condescending towards me, thinking i won't notice some change in tone within your post, especially when i offered my opinion to you in good faith and a respectful manner! If you didn't understand my point, then ask,... don't ever assume with any level of snark!

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Originally posted by Omar Omar wrote:

Genghis Khan is certainly one of the most sucessful leaders in history. Building a pyramid of skulls takes great leadership skills.


I agree. But the OP defined 'worst' as being cruel. So those are the parameters I worked with.
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I'm not sure English/British monarchs later than William of Orange count as leaders at all, bad, good or indifferent. 
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Originally posted by Panther Panther wrote:

Originally posted by Captain Vancouver Captain Vancouver wrote:

Originally posted by Panther Panther wrote:

Originally posted by Captain Vancouver Captain Vancouver wrote:

For out and out cruelty, Hitler surely rates the gold medal.
 
If we are discussing incompetence, George Bush 2 must rate in the top ten, in recent times anyway.


That's really an unsubstantiated opinion, not yet tested by time. Might as well put  Jean Chretien and the current President Obama right up there with him.
 
Unsubstantiated in the case of Hitler......or Bush?
 
Seriously Mr P, I debate with myself at times whether you have a delightful sense of humour, or an exquisite sense of irony . Surely it is one of the two. Bush 2 drove the US, and much of the world economy, over a cliff during his eight years, and mired the US in not one, but two unwinable wars, from which it has had to retreat, tail between legs, in recent years. In between those events he pandered to corporate interests, and also those of the far right, and those of religious extremists, and God knows who else that showed up with a wheelbarrow full of money for the Republican Party. When he wasn't doing that, he was proving to the news media that he had trouble stringing together more than a few sentences, without tripping himself up, such was his expertise in the English language.
 


You know darn well whom i was referring too! Don't be so smugly condescending towards me, thinking i won't notice some change in tone within your post, especially when i offered my opinion to you in good faith and a respectful manner! If you didn't understand my point, then ask,... don't ever assume with any level of snark!

 
Panther- You're fur seems to be wearing thin these days, and it has left you overly sensitive to the elements. There is plenty in history to agonize over, so a chuckle here and there can help to balance things. Condescention is not my thing, but I do attempt a little humour now and then, although as many here may strongly suspect, I have yet to quit my day job to headline in Vegas.
 
As for Mr G.B., you have made an historical statement that many, including myself, would consider an assertive and controversial one, and so one soliciting an answer. Indeed, it is so assertive that I wonder, as I said, if maybe this is really humour. But maybe it is not. If so, you are of course welcome to dive into the debate, and reinforce your points.


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Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:

Genghis Khan is certainly one of the most sucessful leaders in history. Building a pyramid of skulls takes great leadership skills.
 
 
My nominee for worlds worst leader is Captain William Bligh.
His skilled leadership resulted in not one, but two mutanies against his rule. He must've been a stirling and well respected commander to garnish such loyalty in his men.
 
Half the crew of the Bounty stayed loyal to their leader. In fact four sailors loyal to Bligh had to stay on the Bounty because their was not enough room in the boat that Bligh succesfully navigated to Jakata even thou he had no charts.
 
In Sydeny Bligh was up against a cabal of commisioned officers and gentlemen who were abusing their postions to make a proft out of the colony while Bligh defended the the rights of new settlers and freed convicts. Alot of children of the Sydney poor were named William after Governor Bligh.  
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I voted Nero because of his cruelty towards people and his wasting of funds, but I would also say Qin Shi Huangdi because he burned books of knowledge and philosophy, buried Confucian scholars alive, and although the great wall was a good idea, I think it cost more lives and funds than it saved.

Edited by Lao Tse - 09 Jul 2012 at 08:37
在財富的害處,而是一件好事永遠不持續。我在和平中仅居住在新的風下。 Wei Jia Hong No harm in wealth, but a good thing doesn't last forever. I live only among peace under
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Originally posted by Captain Vancouver Captain Vancouver wrote:

 
Panther- You're fur seems to be wearing thin these days, and it has left you overly sensitive to the elements. There is plenty in history to agonize over, so a chuckle here and there can help to balance things.


Good advice. Obama is a moron aping Bush's successes while at the same time blaming Bush for all of his own failures. Now that is hilariously funny in a head-banging-against- the-wall sort of way!

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I think you are unaware of how condescending your attempt at humor seems at times? Or Maybe we are talking past one another here? Whatever is transpiring and what ever you do... don't ever quit your day job by giving it a go on the comedic circuit!

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As for Mr G.B., you have made an historical statement that many, including myself, would consider an assertive and controversial one, and so one soliciting an answer. Indeed, it is so assertive that I wonder, as I said, if maybe this is really humour. But maybe it is not. If so, you are of course welcome to dive into the debate, and reinforce your points.


I may be one of the few in the minority here, but i certainly hate judging policy initiatives or doctrines yet to have play out based on current politics. For all i know, i may very well be wrong about Obama's performance as POTUS and i can freely admit that. I don't think you have it in yourself too say the same about his predecessor? In fact, i know you can't say anything good about his predecessor! You never have in the first place.



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Mr P- Winston Churchill once said: If it is a spade, call the damned thing a spade, not a shovel.
 
GB is a spade. The evidence is plentiful. If you have any info that suggests shovels, please share it with us. We have been down this road before, and nothing resembling shovels has ever made an appearance.
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Originally posted by Panther Panther wrote:

Originally posted by Captain Vancouver Captain Vancouver wrote:

For out and out cruelty, Hitler surely rates the gold medal.
 
If we are discussing incompetence, George Bush 2 must rate in the top ten, in recent times anyway.


That's really an unsubstantiated opinion, not yet tested by time. Might as well put  Jean Chretien and the current President Obama right up there with him.
 
Why put Obama on the list? my opinion is that he has been a great benefit to America. After him entering the presidency, my stocks have almost completely been restored, as has my house value, and the person who George W. Bush promised would be dead before he left is dead. And he is restoring America's economy after the stocks crash and recession in 2007. The problem is that since Reagan, the presidency has lost power, but then again, under George W. Bush, that may have been for the better.
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Originally posted by Lao Tse Lao Tse wrote:

Originally posted by Panther Panther wrote:

Originally posted by Captain Vancouver Captain Vancouver wrote:

For out and out cruelty, Hitler surely rates the gold medal.
 
If we are discussing incompetence, George Bush 2 must rate in the top ten, in recent times anyway.


That's really an unsubstantiated opinion, not yet tested by time. Might as well put  Jean Chretien and the current President Obama right up there with him.
 
Why put Obama on the list? my opinion is that he has been a great benefit to America. After him entering the presidency, my stocks have almost completely been restored, as has my house value, and the person who George W. Bush promised would be dead before he left is dead. And he is restoring America's economy after the stocks crash and recession in 2007. The problem is that since Reagan, the presidency has lost power, but then again, under George W. Bush, that may have been for the better.


My apologies! I don't seriously believe Obama or G.W. Bush should be on such a list. It makes no sense to propagate opinions as facts, unless a person is pushing their ownagenda. It is nearly impossible to hold a discussion on a historical matter or a leader when they or the historical matter was only made yesterday. We are just to close in time to the policy initiatives they promote or the events in question, too make an honest to God objective analysis without our own biases clouding our every waking thought.

And that was my only point. 

And for the record, i have no animosity towards Obama. If you feel his administration has been great for you, then i am happy for you. I do see the merits and achievements his supporters claim he has achieved and will not take that away from them. However i do oppose quite a few of his policies that i think go completely against what this country has always been about and i feel their effects will have a negative impact on this country in the long run. Then again, i do recognize that as my own personal politics reflecting my personal opinions.

I also have noted the many mistakes and PR gaffes Obama has made since being President. Although not being dyslexic like G. W. Bush was and so G. W. Bush was more prone than other Presidents too make these mistakes. As it is the PR mistakes are par for the course in being the President. A fact which i make allowances for with President Obama, unlike Bush's many detractors ever since he first became President in 2001. A little reciprocity goes a long way.


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Originally posted by Panther Panther wrote:

Originally posted by Lao Tse Lao Tse wrote:

Originally posted by Panther Panther wrote:

Originally posted by Captain Vancouver Captain Vancouver wrote:

For out and out cruelty, Hitler surely rates the gold medal.
 
If we are discussing incompetence, George Bush 2 must rate in the top ten, in recent times anyway.


That's really an unsubstantiated opinion, not yet tested by time. Might as well put  Jean Chretien and the current President Obama right up there with him.
 
Why put Obama on the list? my opinion is that he has been a great benefit to America. After him entering the presidency, my stocks have almost completely been restored, as has my house value, and the person who George W. Bush promised would be dead before he left is dead. And he is restoring America's economy after the stocks crash and recession in 2007. The problem is that since Reagan, the presidency has lost power, but then again, under George W. Bush, that may have been for the better.


My apologies! I don't seriously believe Obama or G.W. Bush should be on such a list. It makes no sense to propagate opinions as facts, unless a person is pushing their ownagenda. It is nearly impossible to hold a discussion on a historical matter or a leader when they or the historical matter was only made yesterday. We are just to close in time to the policy initiatives they promote or the events in question, too make an honest to God objective analysis without our own biases clouding our every waking thought.

And that was my only point. 

And for the record, i have no animosity towards Obama. If you feel his administration has been great for you, then i am happy for you. I do see the merits and achievements his supporters claim he has achieved and will not take that away from them. However i do oppose quite a few of his policies that i think go completely against what this country has always been about and i feel their effects will have a negative impact on this country in the long run. Then again, i do recognize that as my own personal politics reflecting my personal opinions.

I also have noted the many mistakes and PR gaffes Obama has made since being President. Although not being dyslexic like G. W. Bush was and so G. W. Bush was more prone than other Presidents too make these mistakes. As it is the PR mistakes are par for the course in being the President. A fact which i make allowances for with President Obama, unlike Bush's many detractors ever since he first became President in 2001. A little reciprocity goes a long way.
Ok, that makes more sense.
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I must say that I despise the use of threads like this to attack tame domestic adversaries. Listing Bush or Obama is just absurd.

If we are talking about most brutal then we have to take into account not just numbers killed but as percentages of the population and the methods used.

In teh twentith century It is probably Pol Pot in All of History probably One of the Mongol Khans
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