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Poll Question: Who is the worst leader in history
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Akolouthos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Sep 2013 at 08:51
Originally posted by Woofer Woofer wrote:

I must say that I despise the use of threads like this to attack tame domestic adversaries. Listing Bush or Obama is just absurd.


I have to agree with that. I find it just precious how people jump into these threads, which are designed to deal with historical questions of monumental gravity, and bumblingly blunder after their most immediate political adversaries. It really shows how much perspective we've sacrificed to our modern, media-centric culture, where we take in political vitriol as reflexively and repetitively as an addict takes in heroine.

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Any doubt about it? Hitler was the most stupid, criminal and incompetent leader in all the history.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lao Tse Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Sep 2013 at 17:18
Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Any doubt about it? Hitler was the most stupid, criminal and incompetent leader in all the history.

I think so too. Hatto II isn't very high on the popularity list either, considering that he crushed a rebellion in his territory by burning over 100 people alive, all over wheat prices
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Xerxes (his local name Khashayar shah) is definitely a respected figure among Persians. He is not considered a bad ruler. Losing a minor skirmish on Greek hills does not make him less of a mighty emperor among us! It is a pity that our remaining history was written by one of our bitter enemies. Imagine what would have been looked like if history of mongol empire was only written by Mongols. Chengiz Khan would have been pictured as a loving father who only cared for well being of his subjects and a very tolerant individual who amused people with poetry and wine.Confused

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Worst Iranian leader?

Most incompetent ruler
Ala ad-Din Muhammad Khwarazmshah

When he heard Mongols are invading his empire he escaped to an Island in Caspian Sea and died there. He left his empire without any fight.

Shah Sultan Husain the Incompetent

He was a coward, superstitious, and a drug addict. He was high on opium when Safavid guards brought the news of Afghan rebels approaching his capital and he only prayed for the news being only rumors. Consequently, he lost his empire and died in jail.

Fath-Ali Shah Qajar
He was busy with his harem and paid less attention to state matters. As a result, some mullahs had power over the matters. Iran lost two major wars against Russia during his reign and almost half of Iranian territories were lost forever. There are rumors about him having some 400 wives, so a major chunk of treasury were spent on his wives and children.

Naseredin Shah Qajar
He was grandson of Fath-ali and just like his grandfather a self praised despotic individual. He borrowed many loans from Russian and British banks for his expensive European tours and gave numerous exclusive rights in exchange to those banks. Fishing rights, forest and mining rights, Iranian customs, Iranian post, oil industry rights, monopolistic rights on sugar, tea, rice, tobacco, and so on. Iranian economy was hostage for his heavy loans that he could not pay. Iran was a poor country submerged with foreign debt.

Mahmud Ahmadi Nejad
Everyone knows this miserable individual. He ruined Iranian economy while Iran had gained the largest income from selling oil in its history. He caused hostility and hatred toward Iranians. Brought eight years of darkness over Iranian society in all levels. Mass immigration of Iranian elite occurred during his time with max number of 200k people each year. Now, Iranian industries are bankrupt because of excessive import from China, Iranian agricultural segment is crippled because of drought and non-control imports from India/Thailand/Kazakhstan & Pakistan. More that 600 Billion dollar of Iranian capitals have been transferred from Iranian economy to outside countries because of lack of security for Iranian producers and manufactures. Iranian oil and gas industry is working with 30% of its capacity due to sanctions and no foreign investment. Almost all Iranian projects have been halted duo to financial and technical problems. Iranian economy growth of  2012 was -5.5% and inflation is up to 40% unemployment is rampart (regime does not give a clear number on that) and Iran has the budget only for next 3 months to run the country and after that a total collapse of the economy. Add the burden of Syrian war because Iran partially finances the Syrian regime and Lebanese Hizbullah, to see the condition of ordinary Iranian citizens. So yes He is absolutely up there with his puppet master (Supreme leader).


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Originally posted by Captain Vancouver Captain Vancouver wrote:

For out and out cruelty, Hitler surely rates the gold medal.
 
If we are discussing incompetence, George Bush 2 must rate in the top ten, in recent times anyway.


It is kind of funny that I posted bush as one of top 10 evil leaders before.
I think one thing people forget is that leaders usually do not have good intentions for the people.
So if goal was lie and make hundreds of billions for family and cronies, bush was very very successful.
In other words, he was very very competent puppet who probably help oil interest get iraq oil contract for around $10 per barrel.  Military spending help war merchant, chaney kept his stock option which probably went up $100million.  Of course deficit make money for private bank of federal reserve.

It was also like over $10 billion in bomb was used in afghanistan mountain to try to kill one person who was not even there lol.




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Panther Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Oct 2013 at 04:37
Originally posted by Harburs Harburs wrote:

Xerxes (his local name Khashayar shah) is definitely a respected figure among Persians. He is not considered a bad ruler. Losing a minor skirmish on Greek hills does not make him less of a mighty emperor among us! It is a pity that our remaining history was written by one of our bitter enemies. Imagine what would have been looked like if history of mongol empire was only written by Mongols. Chengiz Khan would have been pictured as a loving father who only cared for well being of his subjects and a very tolerant individual who amused people with poetry and wine.Confused


Herodotus was equally fair to both sides. So much so that many Greeks of his time called him a liar. IIRC, Herodotus held Xerxes in some esteem?
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Pol Pot of Cambodia is tempting, but my vote goes for Francisco Solano López Carrillo of Paraguay. He was responsible for the War of the Triple Alliance, probably the bloodiest conflict, per capita on record. Under his leadership up to 90% of Paraguay’s population perished. Only 28,000 adult males are believed to have survived.

Honourable mention to leader of the T’ai-p’ing, Hung Hsiu-ch'üan, whose revolt against the Manchu dynasty (1853-64) led to the deaths of 20-30 million people.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Akolouthos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Dec 2013 at 09:14
I must say I am both happy and pleasantly surprised that this thread has turned from political rhetoric to legitimate history. These threads (minus all the childish nonsense about recent political figures) are the reason I joined this community all those years ago.

Suppose I might as well contribute instead of just criticizing the more embarrassingly childish rubbish, eh? ;)

I'm afraid I am going to have to pick other and go with Josef Stalin. In terms of people killed, he eclipses Hitler. Likewise in terms of influence. Furthermore, he wasn't known for his higher reason behind closed doors. ;) All in all, I have trouble seeing why he didn't make the list, given that we included at least two individuals who could be considered good rulers under certain criteria. Still, I won't criticize; this thread has gotten back to being one of those intriguing history questions that keep me coming back. :)

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Harburs Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Dec 2013 at 17:02
As you mentioned we need more contribution. Our shared interest is history, so more historical threads should bring old members back. I think we need more decent historical threads with catchy titles. I know some of our members only make frequent visits and if they don't find anything interesting, leave immediately.

Recent politics should be discussed in current affairs to keep the threads relevant. I am one of those to blame for off topics and I apologize if I made your favorite threads unpleasant for you. From no on, I try to avoid off topics or discuss them in other threads. For some reason many of my threads ended up in recent political situations which I did not intend to do so.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Penderyn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Dec 2013 at 17:59
I think President Bush and his sidekick Mr Bliar were the messiahs of a new kind of bad leader - PR men who just don't care what happens to people, but use power just as a way to profitable retirement provided by the international community under various guises.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Northman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Dec 2013 at 17:46
Worst leader?
I think that depends whether you are estimating that as an armchair general or a humanist - or something totally different.

Cruelty and disrespect for life has always been a part of human life - so has war. Every soldier involved with war knows he can expect to die from it.
War is one thing, but constructing huge extermination camps with the only purpose to kill off every member of a certain etnic Group you can get your hands on, makes Hitler the worst leader ever in my book.

There might be examples of similar behavior, but not to this scale.

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